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asciilifeform: rewriting with a traditional db
mircea_popescu: at the rate we're going tho...
asciilifeform: (pinning down gcc in the killing jar)
asciilifeform: the solution to which is arduous but in no sense mysterious
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the issues come from retarded compiler
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (take a known hash, do whatever is necessary to end up with file of that hash) <<< this is actually a great approach, if it weren't for off-by-dword issues
asciilifeform: but yes, you could theoretically implement in whatever shell. my original attempt at 'v' (unpublished) was in awk & sed
mircea_popescu: <trinque> yep, I may take that on next. << not a bad idea yeah.
asciilifeform: because it has to be able to form a topological walk
trinque: sounds like a type of shell script, where one can perform-action then check-hash-of-state, then continue or die
asciilifeform: (gnumake does not know, or care, what the actual binaries it ends up with at whatever step were)
asciilifeform: 'v' is meant as a general sane solution to the 'must-x-before-y' problem
asciilifeform: must understand that 'patch' is simply one possible operation for a vtron
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 17:00:29; asciilifeform: sorta like a v press-to-hash (feature i never got around to implementing)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351968 << and incidentally, this is probably a good time to point out that 'v' as it is presently seen is not the most generalized treatment of the subject ☝︎
trinque: but gotta get them from somewhere
asciilifeform: aha except that it oughtn't load anything from the net if the necessary file is in a local distfiles dir
trinque: so outermost makefile would do what this script is doing, then call a rotor makefile.
asciilifeform: curl -s http://openssl.org/source/old/1.0.1/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz -o distfiles/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz << we're still doing this ?!!
asciilifeform: (take a known hash, do whatever is necessary to end up with file of that hash)
asciilifeform: sorta like a v press-to-hash (feature i never got around to implementing) ☟︎
asciilifeform: it would build ITEMS OF SPECIFIC HASH rather than name
trinque: the above is just about 4-5 lines tweaked
trinque: yep, I may take that on next.
asciilifeform: for one thing, that would let you cache the www turds locally
asciilifeform: this thing really oughta be a makefile
trinque: http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-151224.sh << made minor changes such that there's a build dir and binary's crapped into bin in the current dir ☟︎
asciilifeform: orcs are met with in the orc stall in the barn
mircea_popescu: the guy's expensive shirts make an incredible situation with the "we couldn't afford a hotel room so we paid the porter to let us use the utility closet" thing
mircea_popescu: and i'm not overstating the screaming, onctuous poverty they're in one little bit. have you seen the footage from that meeting of perry with random nobody in ukraina, that took place in a room smaller than the very cramped table ?
mod6 wonders if he'll have to buy trainloads of coal one day
asciilifeform: nor the entire floor (!) of ua parliament bldg devoted to cia
mircea_popescu: cheaper to move one fat woman than all that diesel.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not terribly sure avbout that. for one thing, the us is poor these days. for the other, it's always been perfidious, and the blown nuke plants are perhaps more valuable to it.
mircea_popescu: mod6 understant, there's no "turned off the universe" switch. whether you have "an use" for it or not, teh sun's still gonna shine, and the radioactive will still decay.
asciilifeform: at any rate, usg has quite likely already sent the same disassembly squads they used in bulgaria
mod6: ya, makes sense. sucks if you can't afford to buy the coal or what not
asciilifeform thought that this was well-known
asciilifeform: mod6: they do though
mod6: 'NPPs require power all the time'
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 16:22:07; mircea_popescu: it;s not that most healthy cultures piss on turncoats. it's that turncoats generally go psychotic.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351909 << from the standpoint of the other fella, turning on your fellow soldiers ~is~ a psychotic act ☝︎
mod6: i had to laugh at that last orlov
mod6: was this started from a /clean/ env or is this trying to load up a blockchain from christmas past?
mod6: i looked for 'environment' in the code -- didn't find any relevant matches as far as I can tell: http://dpaste.com/1QDGFPN.txt
mod6: <+thestringpuller> db.log has one line >> 'unable to join the environment'
mod6: im not sure what this is about:
mod6: should do the trick.
mircea_popescu: who was the classical general that busted his own face, pretended his king did it, went to the enemies who bought it and then raped them in their sleep ?
mircea_popescu: it;s not that most healthy cultures piss on turncoats. it's that turncoats generally go psychotic. ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'rome does not pay traitors'
asciilifeform: (he actually thought that he might be trusted with serious business in su, imagine)
asciilifeform: k. philby famously drank himself to death on account of this
asciilifeform: that most healthy cultures piss on turncoats
asciilifeform: one of the reasons why there are not more defections among the house slaves is,
asciilifeform: and yes their goodbye letter (it leaked out, iirc, years later) mentioned chicks
asciilifeform: but m & m wanted to go straight for the 'wedding'
mircea_popescu: prolly why the us went all overboard with "faggits!"
mircea_popescu: didn't they famously say natasha fucks better ?
asciilifeform: the detectives were baffled because they only looked for the simple knobs - bag of money; or failing that, 'ideological rot'
mircea_popescu: which is why women generally confront the "either you put out or we rape you" and bureaucrats generally confront the "play ball or go sleep with the fishes".
asciilifeform: schmuck thought that 'su respects maths! i will be respected!11111'
asciilifeform: from the actual words of m & m, in as far as they have been recorded in su, it was (in at least the case of the domainant fella, i forget which one that was) on account of... mathematics
mircea_popescu: the point isn't "the money", the money is always and everywhere as it is here a token. the point of the bribe is that the bribed becomes part of the clan of the briber, it's exactly a fucking wedding.
asciilifeform: that was the demented summary aha
mircea_popescu: anyway. if memory serves the actual cia conclusion was "social ambition drove it", which is EXACTLY what a fucking bribe is.
asciilifeform: aha, bulk of the turd is literally about this.
asciilifeform: well, yes, normally you need something to make the money stick
mircea_popescu: that's not the ordinary sense.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bribe in the ordinary sense
mircea_popescu: "f0or as long as we define bribing in terms that make it impossible, it was impossible to bribe an usian to move to su in those days"
asciilifeform: (not that you could actually bribe a usian, in those days, to move to su)
mircea_popescu: recall the north korean girly that killed herself in paris rather than come back home to the ~very priviledged~ household of her commanding daddy in best democratic thingamagig ?
asciilifeform: m and m blew the usg minds for the simple reason that, as far as anybody could tell, they weren't bribed
mircea_popescu: in the end not substantially different from the su's own "sluggard schizophrenia" in response to that age old question that's the bane of every mature bureaucracy : "why would anyone want to leave paradise!"
mircea_popescu: omaygawd teh bad ppls in this world.
mircea_popescu: it's funny how all the soviet defections were proof sovietism dun work (it didn't) but all the various us defections weren't proof usgism dun work (it... didn't).
asciilifeform: or how they tried to hunt down everybody with whom they... played chess
asciilifeform: and the tone with which the usgdroids describe one of the fellas watching japanese strippers diddle one another, it must be read to be appreciated.
asciilifeform: 'Martin and Mitchell's effects reveal their interest and activity in photography, music, Russian language, French, and travel. Mitchell also possesses much athletic and sporting equipment, firearms, and a large liquor supply.' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in my head it's all "time when the pre-cocksucking lusers lived"
asciilifeform: any old usaschwitz inmate knows: 1960 in usa was the middle of 'the fifties'
asciilifeform: l0l! even viktor kamkin bookstore (rip) and its owners figured in the case!
asciilifeform: (tldr: the brass, in at least as far as the Official Truth doc releases reveal, were obsessed with whether m & m were buggering one another and spent millions investigating this)
asciilifeform: 'Martin is said to have criticized American women and marital laws. Martin and Mitchell have both been described as socially awkward and Mitchell has been described as unsophisticated and naive about the practical world.' (p.60) ☟︎
asciilifeform suspects that he reads moar of it, and more attentively, than the pro gurlz
mircea_popescu: in another life you could have been a happily employed girlie, reading this crud of your own curiosity an' making summaries for terrorists.
asciilifeform: 'Idiosyncrasies : Eats raw chicken because he likes the taste.' << from mitchell's fbi file
asciilifeform: when martin & mitchell famously ran away from nsa to su in 1960, su decided to open own nsa
asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf http://mikhailmasl.livejournal.com/4852.html << mega-b00k. afaik never published in dead tree. the only known memoir of mathematician working in kgb, lived through the '90s no less. the fella who designed that crackpot calculator for central bank. ☟︎
shinohai: Once I figure it out I am definitely going to write an idiot's guide to cross-compiling.
shinohai: Maybe I need the proper drugs.
shinohai: I just cannot understand how to use buildroot, despite reading manuals for hours upon hours.
asciilifeform: shinohai: what was the issue
shinohai is evidently too retarded to build using asciilifeform 's recipe. T_T
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:28:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351348 << dude srsly... let people try things wtf.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351578 << anybody who wants to build for ARM can use my recipe, it is in the ml, and it wurx ☝︎
shinohai: I strongly believe linton_s_dawson "just wants an app for that"
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:29:37; assbot: Logged on 23-12-2015 22:38:37; linton_s_dawson: If something ca be done in an easy-to-use manner, it should be done. I'm aware of the "if you're too lazy to learn you don't deserve it" logic but I don't completely agree with it.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351584 << to mutilate the old saying, 'things oughta be as easy to use as possible, but not easier' ☝︎