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zx2c4: so what if i told you that
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that the fella still labours under the impression that boeck et al are the 'authorities' , sitting in judgement of ~us~ , and that it is we who must somehow prove beyond reasonable doubt that they lie
zx2c4: i dont really understand...
zx2c4: i will ask them about this
zx2c4: alright rereading, resynthesizing, adding a claim i understand you to be making too:
zx2c4: the concrete claims i understand you to be making are:
zx2c4: the ones i have down are:
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: i never even considered the possibility that was some kind of conspiratorial cover story. wow.
asciilifeform: i got a bridge to sellya.
asciilifeform: for instance 'responsible disclosure' ( i.e. if you find a bug, report to usg first )
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, no. i am saying that they are intelectually incosequential ninnies, who happened to tell a convenient lie.
mircea_popescu: for the record, pirate was also indicted by the us circus at ~our~ pressure, and only after it became obvious to the usg that i am actually making it impossible for him to be of any further "use".
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i recall many sticking points around the flat; wouldja enumerate? water heater, previous flatrental...? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: no. the summary is what i told you : they LIED about doing research ; some victims paid them money ; the data was then published by third parties ; they stole it ; the victims ate it.
asciilifeform: zx2c4: i refuse to dignify their disinfo with the word 'study'
ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform: i dun object; pizarro needs a better foundation than a writhing pile of chinches. i'd like to get a flat down there; this can consolidate the housing and desk expenses and provide i expect much needed moral uplift. ☟︎
asciilifeform: zx2c4: i wrote phuctor in 2013 after yrs of watching academiderps fraudulently pretend to have performed similar experiment ( while they published 0 keys )
asciilifeform: ( if it's public, i.e. i can get to it, it's prolly in there )
BingoBoingo: more heavily to the end of the year? As it is I am still effectively paying out of my diminishing savings to live amongst the retards. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: I'm going to go do the FG surgery and lets the adults talk through things, but... Remember the $20/day per diem arose out of a time when I was working on BBisp and chasing a prospect. When the statement's out do some math, float some compensation proposals covering a 12 month span, and recognize that and extra $180 a month still leaves me in the position of dipping into my savings rather frequently. Maybe weight the compensation boost
asciilifeform: mod6: can i persuade you to revv it up in #pizarro ?
mod6: I turned it off about the time that douche showed up.
mod6: Then that works a lot better, I'm way less likely to overlook something like that.
asciilifeform: ( but yes, i study from mircea_popescu, and no i'm not yet even journeyman-grade in biznistronics )
mod6: And, currently I see no issue with $180 extra per month. We do want our System Administrator to be able to have a liveable life in .uy. Will discuss ofc.
mod6: Ok, I'll take the blame here -- I missed whatever proposal in some log.
asciilifeform: this here's an open proposal for board. however if mod6 & ben_vulpes would like me to sign & deedbot it, i will.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll be the first to admit, that asciilifeform 'plays the tuba despite not knowing how'
mod6: This may have been my fault. I am a busy man, may have over looked it.
mircea_popescu: the difference between me and ten thousand librarians who also read the same books is that i don't go around spitting out the references in lieu of doing the inadherent wwwism.
asciilifeform: i assumed, perhaps mistakenly, that when i say 'proposal for ze board!' it knows who it is
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apparently when i speak, it comes out in martian, or sumthing, folx simply dun register it
asciilifeform: mod6: no need even for pgpgram. i propose, here and now, a +10% increase in BingoBoingo's pay. this will add up to the cost of 1 1U supermicro in a yr, or alternatively slightly less than ben_vulpes lost in customs lotto.
mod6: Hey, let's get real for a moment. I'm not disputing any of that!
mircea_popescu: anyway, /me will expose the hand, might as well be upfront about things. so, asciilifeform did at some point express some interest in learning the magical crafts of management ; i since fed him the occasional dollop, in the manner this craft was always taught whenever it was taught. as part of this, when he left for montevideo i specifically told him to recognize BingoBoingo 's efforts with a raise early rather than late for
mod6: And aside from that, I'm not opposed outright to this, but before we start handing out more money, I'd like to see where Pizarro stands as far as how much further we need to go to break-even, etc.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i've already brought it up on record 2x. the other members of the board have not yet answered. << I have not seen or been given any formal proposal for anything of such a raise.
lobbes: In fact, it occurred to as I was about to list my TODO in-channel that it may be more beneficial to bake it as a blog post. Would allow the forum to suggest re-prioritizations as well as serve as a single place I can point to and say "this be what I'm working on right now". Anyways, I'll bake one tonight
lobbes: I'm not opposed to taking a look but my hopper is getting saturated as-is >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809054 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: understand that when you opt ot make "small donations" as a palliative measure to reconcile the goat and the cabbage you're not using the tool. this is orcism, "i don't know how to work vacuum cleanner but did some fingerbanging of the dust ad interim"
asciilifeform: ( at one time asciilifeform nominated phf to serve on the board in asciilifeform's stead, but there was no response, so i took it as a 'no ty' )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: it is greatly appreciated. And there's still a lot of adult business/figuring out exactly what pizarro is going on, which is why I have been letting it slide. But being several months into this venture the silence on this issue from the rest of the board is a sore spot, I have no idea if it is a thing they are even considering.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've already brought it up on record 2x. the other members of the board have not yet answered.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1808532 << Other than alf voicing general support for the idea, I am completely unaware of any ongoing discussions to improve my compensation. That we have arrived in May without any proposals has me somewhat feeling like I got played for the sucker on this. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, take the peruana for a day trip ? i find tits surroundant make airflight bearable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, rabbit is however extremely lean. but i suppose in a sense.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was speaking strictly of the fat diff
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1808335 << Five hours if I take the more expensive ferry out of Montevideo. 6+ if I go to colonia for the cheaper ticket, but that involves a bus. Few things are less enjoyable the being stuck on a tin can full of Uruguayos. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: I have had rabbit a number of times. Enjoy picking out the bits of shot.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not yet. Can pick some up at the feria. Now that I know we have Loros, I am kinda curious how those taste.
asciilifeform: many times, and i know of no finer flesh than rabbit
mircea_popescu: trinque, honestly i'd much rather just fix the rss than stand up a dedicated bot. way the fuck cheaper and rather more adequate to the actual task at hand.
trinque: the code I published will work fine with any logbot someone stands up
mircea_popescu: i can think of like two. but anyway.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly. i can think of a scenario where your bufferizer could become necessary again.
lobbes: I still dun get why seperate channel wouldn't work? deedbot today somehow does xyz and successfully announces phuctor pops here. Why can't one of the n00bs stand up a bot to do the same thing... but in a side channel? Shouldn't require any changes at all to standing phuctor process, right?
asciilifeform: but if someone stands up to write something for me to debug -- i will 1) say 'thank you' 2) debug it.
asciilifeform: i am not averse to the pain of debugging.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 15:30 asciilifeform: anyone who wants to volunteer to write this, can use the db snapshot i previously published ( it contains, naturally, the schema. ) to test, remove some entries from factors table, then add'em back in ( ideally several dozen at a time )
asciilifeform: reading the db -- breaks nothing. and i already published the db ( and ergo schema . ) hence my suggestion from earlier, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1808989 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i didn't even know this can be done with c and python.
asciilifeform: i control the src.
asciilifeform: which i do not want.
asciilifeform: ( i/o solely via the db )
asciilifeform: i dun even disagree
asciilifeform: i did not say 'impossible', just that i cannot rise to being able to promise 'i know exactly how, it'll take 3 days'
asciilifeform: situation is that parcels 11 and 12 already added to db; ( 13 would take about 6hrs to swallow , i held off on feeding any moar until we have this thread ) ; werker cron job is currently off, if i switch it on, 45min later we get 1k lines in log ( or alternatively we switch off feed and sleep through 1k pops , take yer pick ) or i go and write a ~new phuctor and nfi when finish.
asciilifeform: yes, i can write this program. but no i do not know how long it'll take. and yes it would be to the detriment of other projects.
asciilifeform: if this is so -- then it should be possible to make it in a separate process that simply reads from db ( can write to own table, even, if it wants, so long as i do not have to know about it )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i simply went with your hypothesis, which is that the desired feature is truly implementable independently from the rest of the proggy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, did you just say "anyone who wants to do this must do it in the way it wasn't specified because i'm not making the principal element everything rests on" ?
asciilifeform: if the volunteered proggy makes sense to me, i will emplace it on dulap and say 'thank you'
mircea_popescu: (also, i'll point out, rss is very much not web ; it's basically pipe.)
asciilifeform: anyone who wants to volunteer to write this, can use the db snapshot i previously published ( it contains, naturally, the schema. ) to test, remove some entries from factors table, then add'em back in ( ideally several dozen at a time ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( i.e. dwarfed by constant factor )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is the correct algo, and i drew it on own chalkboard last night, but my entire point is that i do not know with confidence how long it will take to implement and debug.
asciilifeform: i deliberately crafted the thing to enable dirty reads one day, whenever i find out how to obtain them at all
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unless i catastrophically misunderstand own proggy, this 'tick' is an illusion, it is same db query every time, but returns different things, but at same time proggy does not keep any state to know that they are different from prev query
mircea_popescu: mod6, what i was going to propose is for someone to write his rss python script and needed queries.
asciilifeform: and observe, i put on heaviest gas mask , and sat with postgres docs for week+, and nao reward 'go and write another 1000ln of postgresolade'
mircea_popescu: well, the proper statement here isn't that "fixing db will be to my grief" ; the proper statement is that "fixing db, while a massive improvement to the $item, has the unfortunate drawback of requiring some trims i'm ill equipped to handle / have to send for across town"
mircea_popescu: now i can imagine.
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine.
mircea_popescu: but, i confess i absolutely do not follow the logic here. so, making a new table, and a py script to update it and print it as described above, unbounded ammount of sweat, months of work ?
asciilifeform: based on earlier github run, i suspect that it's good for maybe a dozen ticks.
asciilifeform: i do not have a deedbot to throw into a dedicated channel, nor do i have a month in which to write a phuctor-compatible channel-talker.
asciilifeform: ( i cannot with good conscience say how many weeks it will take to do this. )
asciilifeform: honestly i had nfi that fixing the db would be to my grief.
asciilifeform: still requires a stateful machine in a place where i currently have none.
asciilifeform: but i can definitely see the merits of 'only publish 1st factor'. problem is that this is even ~more~ complicated to implement than the earlier scheme.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually for quite some time i've had it so that it finds both factors in 1 day ( when we're dealing with a proper 2-large-primes mod, rather than random liquishit )
asciilifeform: so i made no fundamental provision for it.
asciilifeform: i sat down to write it yesterday and got mired in swamp.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is 100x more state complexity than i have now, is the point
mircea_popescu: i must confess it's pretty good onomatopoeia.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, hmmm, I had in mind an even faster she-reader but I can't seem to find ref; that works too I suppose although I suspect the fromdeedbot guy "read" even faster
mircea_popescu: i'm still not certain he wasn't telling the truth even.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 12:49 diana_coman: asciilifeform, I suspect he "read" them like that tits-girl: in one night he "read" them all, what
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 12:44 fromdeedbot: tbh I am seeing the potential of this concept and I know that I'm late
mircea_popescu: but for the record, there will be an infinite stream of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1808813 until the very thermic death of the universe. and once we set the plague of french revolution to rest, and its sad effects are nowehre to be found in the world except for flaubert's books on the history of idiocy, there will SIMILARILY be "hi guise i am interested in the concept". exactly in the way and exactly for the reason "pe ☝︎