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asciilifeform: i don't want to need to imprint turds with a seal before flushing.
asciilifeform: i don't want to replace my toilet with an authenticated one, either, y'know ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: would you accept use of a token in headers for use from cli?
mircea_popescu: what am i to be like one of those us military base commanders that can't run a quarter mile ?
asciilifeform mildly horrified that mircea_popescu found himself doing this
mircea_popescu: somehow more annoying than when women don't.
mircea_popescu: the #1 most frustrating thing known to man is when computers don't do what you expect them to do.
mircea_popescu: "for the obvious reason"
mircea_popescu: i want it to match /start/ not start
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why did you escape out the fwdslashes ?
mircea_popescu: why the everloving fuck is sed -n '/\/start\//,/end/p' dump out the whole pipe instead of just the stuff between /start/ and end ?
asciilifeform: literacy is already defined as 'reading this set of hieroglyphs'
mircea_popescu: and literacy would be defined as "reading tar"
mircea_popescu: if it were the case that contracts came in '|tar bottles" reading plain english would be as useful as reading latin.
mircea_popescu: you understand, i hope you do but if you don't i'll explain it, that the only - THE ONLY - reason for literacy is so you can read contracts.
asciilifeform: don't take my word for it. go dump a tar of ascii text to console
mircea_popescu: i can't read tar.
asciilifeform: what's wrong with tar as a 'clearsign' bottle ?
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 21:29:42; mircea_popescu: thinking about it : the one thing i like about dpaste in preference of uploading files is that i don't have to provide a filename.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2015#1353205 << or log in, or motherfucking decrypt anything, or hit more than one button !!1111 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 21:08:22; mircea_popescu: in short, i wisened up to the fact that this particular thing is of the "go big or go home" variety and insistence on peculiar versions of small are a waste of time.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2015#1353156 << it is worth thinking about ~why~ folks - including even mircea_popescu, yes - actually use pastebinatrons ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 20:41:26; mircea_popescu: how about this : only accept gpg-encrypted communications, and only distribute the pubkey to people you like.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2015#1353078 << this works until usg or even a demented sysop is involved: you can derive pubkey from ciphertext ☝︎
asciilifeform: and i don't see any reason to sign a disposable, ephemeral turd.
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 20:38:47; ben_vulpes: punkman, mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: destestable though they may be for injecting state into the stateless protocol, would a single "signin" page with an assbot-style decryption of OTP that results in a session key authenticating the user to the perlwad be an improvement, and are there better solutions i'm not considering? anonymous drive-by pasting is not a better solution imho.
mircea_popescu: but a gpg would-be replacement that doesn't have clearsign is not actually usable as a replacement
asciilifeform: but can we have a final bullet in the head of ascii mutilation and magical dashes ?
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 20:35:32; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2015#1353048 << no. this is a color of bits issue ; i couldn't care less what the technological constraints [appear to] be. a contract is a single item, not a text and a separate signature.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2015#1353071 << if you must have one file, gpg --armour it. or tar it. whatever. ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2015#1353065 << 'v' lives and dies by detached signatures. and i'm not implementing payload mutilation in 'p.' and i won't be using anything that mutilates payloads if i can help it, ever. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://itsnotokokcupid.tumblr.com sauce pretty lulzy too
mircea_popescu: also why they're fundamentally worthless.
mircea_popescu: that's mostly what these things peddle : a particular sort of theft.
mircea_popescu: that's exactly not it. the difference is that the former STOLE something. a little bit of something, and something that wasn't well bolted down by a legal process. 300 years ago you'd go to jail for pretending to be the mayor ; even today you can go to jail for pretending to be a cop.
mircea_popescu: See the difference? Make some aspect of your product easy and fun to talk about, and make it unique."
mircea_popescu: "And this worked really well for foursquare thanks to the mayorship. If I tell someone I’m the mayor of a spot, I’m in an instant conversation: “What makes you the mayor?” “That’s lame, I’m there way more than you” “What do you get for being mayor?”. Compare that to talking about Gowalla: “I just swapped this sticker of a bike for a sticker of a six pack of beer! What? Yes, I am still a virgin”.
mircea_popescu: "today in Cheez Today"
mircea_popescu: how THE FUCK do you increase engagement and no one cares.
jurov: it needs more attention than fire and forget
mircea_popescu: how to cheaply and efficiently ensure the ire of people in the wot : charge them for their own shit.
jurov: i suspect ben_vulpes is not up for that kind of latrine anyway :D
jurov: i'm not hellbound to having it. my idea was to accept anything, signed or not, make it available for a week, and put older pastes behind a paywall
mircea_popescu: the thing i fucking hate about dpaste is the dumbass "select data type" and that they think text is "plain text" and starts with a p.\
ben_vulpes: (it's just a fucking latrine that needs digging)
mircea_popescu: or, more generally : that it's like clearisgn and not like detached signature.
mircea_popescu: thinking about it : the one thing i like about dpaste in preference of uploading files is that i don't have to provide a filename. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: which is why i think it should be hammered out and left alone at the earliest possible moment.
ben_vulpes: anyways jurov if i had an inkling that someone would do it besides myself i'd not have done it in the first place. if you want the thing on your plate, lmk, otherwise if you have an obvious solution you're not holding out for paste-opoly also let me know.
mircea_popescu: kinda why i stuck it in there - bitcoin has deeper roots than commonly realised.
ben_vulpes: (it is the root of cognition, no?) "usually this makes the food happen"
mircea_popescu: in fact, machine learning is older than automatons.
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 19:32:46; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the other gestapo did not suffer from delusions of machine learning!1111111111 to help them process somehow infinite tips into an edible portion
mircea_popescu: this ties into the discussion about nazis and their de-facto paper-processing computing
mircea_popescu: the reason for this is that so many titles start with The in english that it debalanced the sorting tree (implemented in nature as shelves)
mircea_popescu: ~ in this context is an interesting thing : a postprocessor directive meaning "take the string before the first comma and put it in here to reconstruct the correct title of this item". so that "Fanny Fucksticks, The Enchanted Travels Of ~" becomes "The Enchanted Travels Of Fanny Fucksticks".
ben_vulpes: (what else would it be the most serene republic of, though?)
mircea_popescu: otherwise it's like "the The Bank"
mircea_popescu: you know that ~ makes sense only if it's b,tmsr~
mircea_popescu: this is really not a bad motto for b-a ; the funny thing for me is how varied the reaction of people is as they encounter it in practice.
ben_vulpes: no js in tmsr~!
ben_vulpes: no js in this thing.
jurov: oooooh. i wanted to see your megasuperdevstack in action, tho
ben_vulpes: if you want it, take it!
mircea_popescu: lol the cutthroat pastecompetition
ben_vulpes: "but it still led to a $1.59 million increase in fees in one quarter" << how do you knoooow
ben_vulpes: "The results: about 9 percent more poor students matriculated." << how would you know it's attributable to your work?
assbot: Obama’s effort to ‘nudge’ America ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzzF05 )
ben_vulpes: http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/10/obamas-effort-to-nudge-america-000276 << in which the department of statistics completely forgets about the challenges of untangling correlation from causation ☟︎
ben_vulpes: nobody 'needs' a toy.
mircea_popescu: either that or befriending more adults, i guess.
ben_vulpes: not selling, really. more of a toy for phriendz
mircea_popescu: bullshit. it was, at the time, incredibly cheap and convenient.
mircea_popescu: in short, i wisened up to the fact that this particular thing is of the "go big or go home" variety and insistence on peculiar versions of small are a waste of time. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: that you're trying to sell webspace on a below-shared server level and by the kilobyte like some sort of idiot. either get into the business by running an actual isp or else let people do the thing sanely on their own.
jurov: he proposed for everyone to have own webspace, no?
ben_vulpes: well then what precisely were you proposing?
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes i do not think you should. !
ben_vulpes: SO WHY THE FUCK WRITE SHIT FOR PEOPLE NOT IN THE WOT
ben_vulpes: isn't the classic answer 'the other gurlz'?
mircea_popescu: bear in mind however that ... how are women that you've not fucked before going to find you ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i do not think you should.
mircea_popescu: because why the fuck, 10 bucks a month is too much for these people to get a fucking blog up ?
mircea_popescu: still, you know, think about what this is. you're proposing to give people a modicum of webspace in some narrow constraints.
ben_vulpes: so riddle me this: why the everloving fuck *should* i make any tool usable for anyone outside of my wot?
ben_vulpes: yes well clearly when we actually have gossipd auth i can wash my hands of auth too.
mircea_popescu: you know, giving examples of broken shit is not necessarily an effectual way to argue in favour of said shit.
ben_vulpes: if so i would like an introduction to this registrar, they sound like good people to know
mircea_popescu: i propose to not manage dns at all, and not have dns, either.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu proposes to manage dns without authentication? is this like the mythical bezzlebroker who only communicates in gpggrams with $maxint clients?
mircea_popescu: this is fundamental and fundamentally important. if you wish to be a person, you gotta maintain this level of control.
mircea_popescu: which is specifically what i said above : there will exist EXACTLY ONE place i authenticate at ; the name for that place is "my blog"
mircea_popescu: for the stated reason : for the same money i just use my blog to host the file
mircea_popescu: i don't think i want an authenticated dpaste, myself.
mircea_popescu: the correct solution also seems to have emerged, how's any of this my fault.
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the dpaste : im not abstaining from helping or anything of the sort. there's been an idea, it's been trashing around in the b-a uterus trying to come to conception. it doesn't seem that it actually works tho, seems more like an irrealisable chimera of disparate, irreconcilable parts.
ben_vulpes: aight but before we go haring off completely is there an argument to be made in favor of wotmembers signing authentication tokens over decrypting authentication tokens?
ben_vulpes: well no it wouldn't be sensible things
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if argentina made these.
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news, i go out buy a bag of dice. these idiots used blue and red for the paint on the faces. guess what numbers are red and what numbers are blue ?