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asciilifeform: it is the root
ben_vulpes: no, that's the root.
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:29:35; punkman: well imagine genesis.vpatch, then foo.vpatch edits bitcoin.cpp and bar.vpatch edits bitcoin.h, which is the head?
kakobrekla: i must say that aklepov site is quite interesting.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: that the aviso debacle took place, is not controversial. the debate among historians appears to be about whether a quarter, third, or even half of the budget was stolen, and whether it even makes a difference precisely how much
adlai: ben_vulpes: i would i f i knew the charset
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:11:28; kakobrekla: according to them prouds "Tim Mitja Zagar is co-founder of Cashila, first Bitcoin company in Europe registered as financial institution "
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354631 << and Tim Mitja Zagar is the first guy with a penis. because he's never seen anyone else's. ☝︎
gribble: How Russian Gold Reserve Was Plundered - PravdaReport: <http://www.pravdareport.com/news/russia/13-12-2002/19134-0/>; Dzhabrailov Umar - Russian mafia. I swear to tell the truth, the whole ...: <http://www.rumafia.com/en/person.php?id=20>; Chernoy Mikhail - Russian mafia. I swear to tell the truth, the whole ...: <http://www.rumafia.com/en/person.php?id=189>
assbot: Russian mafia. I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. The dossier, compromising, News - The Russian mafia, organized crime and corruption. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NSgb97 )
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: http://www.rumafia.com/en/person.php?id=20 << mentions the aviso scam
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: roger, ty, loud and clear.
asciilifeform: (process stops when you hit the genesis)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: your question is elementarily answerable by looking at the hashes. each file hash exists solely because it came out of another patch. apply recursively.
adlai: or is deedbot now trademark registry
assbot: Logged on 27-12-2015 23:50:18; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354353 << is 'quent' supposed to be a less free version of frequent or a less subsumed version of subsequent ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354604 << just some random noob hitting all the places with his random noobassery. ☝︎
adlai: failing a blog post i'll have to deed it instead
asciilifeform: using very elementary fakes of 'aviso' (bank transfer)
ben_vulpes only online for the duration of this particular bloody mary
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: circa '91-92 about 1/4 to 1/3 of ru national budget was stolen, mainly by chechens
kakobrekla: i was actually trying to dig up more info on these 'fake letters of advice' yesterday and couldnt find shit. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: if i press with a head P that has antecedents Q, R, S, must my press *only* include the descendant P of Q, R, and S? or *all* descendants of Q, R, S? or all descendants of any of Q, R and S?
asciilifeform: (who designed the little signature machine)
asciilifeform: ads and displays were manufactured in Russia.' (from your earlier link) - this was maslennikov
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'Back in 1992 $200 billion were stolen from the Central Bank of the Russian Federation with the help of so-called “fake letters of advice”. Russia was on the brink of a financial collapse. The Central Bank was urgently equipped with more than 10 000 encoders manufactured at Russian plants. It helped to prevent thefts. It should be noted that there were no foreign electronic components in the encoders, even keyp
ben_vulpes: i seek to understand better what same-tree-level means
asciilifeform: in the sense that presently patch Q is said to have patch P as an antecedent if ~any file~ in Q was modified by P ☟︎
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: shall i restate the question?
ben_vulpes: perhaps this is what confused me
asciilifeform: (and this includes mine)
asciilifeform: oh incidentally the current dependency graph walker is in some ways erroneously conservative
asciilifeform: nothing in it would directly depend on anything in the source
asciilifeform: the example i gave earlier (see logz) was if we were to have a documentation dir
asciilifeform: i thought this was pretty obvious
asciilifeform: the only way you could logically press 'multiple heads' is if the heads are from disjoint trees
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i just read the log. it is yet unclear to me what was asked for
adlai: saves you the shithub\
adlai: ben_vulpes: so whot got you back to sheeple anywaays,googling for toposort impls?
ben_vulpes: yo asciilifeform can you comment on 'press' thread?
ben_vulpes: not under nine thousand
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
adlai: dude wtf pixels it's exactly one column of termspace
adlai slaps the bot on the ass with a large trout
adlai: yeah a couple programmer-years according to sloccount iirc
ben_vulpes: goddamnit adlai do you know how much miserable code i have to read?
adlai: i mean the thing is amazingly documented, ask specific questions please
adlai: it all began in thefaraway distant land of freenode
adlai: it's a giant heap of shit, that yes, i shoveled/pooped/nurtured, in a past life
ben_vulpes: what was the /point/ though? and the story behind its conception?
adlai: you'll just have to read it for yourself, i guess, because i'm not about to sign a single cons of it until i redo that myself :P
ben_vulpes: adlai: didn't you work on the thing extensively?
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:19:09; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai what was the story with 'sheeple'? ☟︎
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354636 << dunno man, wewracked the logs and there truly was no mention! ☝︎
ben_vulpes: punkman: but for a given "press"ed source tree /there can only be a single head/, per the implementations that i'm looking at.
trinque: seems reasonable to want both in that case.
ben_vulpes: whatever the user supplies for pressing, non?
punkman: well imagine genesis.vpatch, then foo.vpatch edits bitcoin.cpp and bar.vpatch edits bitcoin.h, which is the head? ☟︎
ben_vulpes could have had a whole bottle of nieto sentenier for what this single glass cost
ben_vulpes: <punkman> imagine you have 10 heads, and you choose 3. the only way to press is to find the antecedents of those 3. << i don't actually disagree with this, i simply do not think that the design of v allows for multiple heads. do cite me something to the contrary if you're aware of any.
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: not now, not ever, not at this rate.
ben_vulpes: i'm no perlspurt but mod6's only appears to press a single head as well punkman
ben_vulpes cracks mod6's v to inspect for multiheadpressing
ben_vulpes: or life, who can tell
ben_vulpes: what?! how can there be more than a single head
punkman: imagine you have 10 heads, and you choose 3. the only way to press is to find the antecedents of those 3.
ben_vulpes: 1) only press the head patch in question (this is how i wrote my press)
ben_vulpes: there are only 2 ways to guarantee that that i see:
ben_vulpes: has to press the same tree as any other v given the same head
ben_vulpes: minimal doesn't work i don't think
punkman: ben_vulpes: if you want to press a minimal version of a patch, you can recursively find all antecedents of a HEAD patch
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai what was the story with 'sheeple'? ☟︎
ben_vulpes: rebooting an old thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323387: asciilifeform: since a patch has multiple antecedents, would an accurate description of the correct patch-selection algo for press be something along the lines of "given a patch, find its antecedents. presssed version must contain the descendants of all of those antecedents."? ☝︎
pete_dushenski: the only thing better than being first is being the last.
kakobrekla: according to them prouds "Tim Mitja Zagar is co-founder of Cashila, first Bitcoin company in Europe registered as financial institution " ☟︎
pete_dushenski: go smack 'em with a fish then
punkman: "Do I have to be a resident of one of the countries mentioned above? No. You can live anywhere in the world, except of Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea or New York State." lol'd
pete_dushenski: doesn't quite have the same ring to it
punkman: I'd rename that to "I paint old shit"
pete_dushenski: til 'maya crude' is a thing.
pete_dushenski: "Only by managing that monstrosity through the crisis did I come to fully appreciate how unlike physics markets are, how crucial to outcomes other people and luck are, and how, no matter how hard I worked or how much I prepared, there would always be some things I couldn’t completely fathom."
assbot: What the Economic Crash of 2008 Taught Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbhrHC )
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=quent | quent. A gentlemanly way of saying cunt! Example Usage: "I kindly ask you to refrain from using my wife's ass in that impertinent manner, you quent!". by stumow ...
kakobrekla: actually we had this before
punkman: was probably "quant" but hard not to misspell
assbot: Logged on 27-12-2015 17:13:39; Quent: I don't think you guys have the brains or funds to carry out these DDoses
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354353 << is 'quent' supposed to be a less free version of frequent or a less subsumed version of subsequent ? ☝︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: not from here, thestringpuller
thestringpuller: ;;later tell hanbot thewhet.net is down :(
kakobrekla: well that was lulzy.
kakobrekla: USA and embedded in the computer. Original labels were brushed out and Soviet labels were put on the chips instead of them...
kakobrekla: The required equipment was often purchased abroad and presented as someone’s personal design. By the way, it was common practice in industry throughout the history of the Soviet Union. For example, in the 1980s a computer “EC1841” was designed for military purposes. The designers even managed to get the USSR State Award. Later it turned out that Soviet computer chips had never been designed – they were imported from the ☟︎
kakobrekla: Soviet high-rank bureaucrats often acted like that when they were ordered to design something new. If they couldn’t cope with the task they committed outright forgery and sometimes it even impaired national defense.
assbot: "WARNING: abnormally high number of blocks generated, 48 blocks received in the last 4 hours (24 expected)" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1VlA65j )
ben_vulpes: "Upgrade to El Capitan"
mircea_popescu: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/09/27/ceos/ << or, for that matter, a very young bb ?
assbot: What's a SpergLord ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCW6lp )
mircea_popescu: blast from the past... "This mob mentality may be the end of Bitcoin." http://trilema.com/2013/whats-a-sperglord/#selection-151.223-151.267
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes << forfeiture now a fedz-only game << in the logs last week!
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> LOOK BRUCE WAGNER is back << that's probably that goat fuckwit.