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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but those kinds of trends never last.
ben_vulpes mostly curious to know how mircea_popescu thought this would come off
mircea_popescu: at some point ideally i won't have to pay for anything.
asciilifeform: hey i thought mircea_popescu told us that nobody born after '90 was fit for so much as stove fuel ??
mircea_popescu: and , for that matter, better people are potentially born daily.
mircea_popescu: but in better news : the summer's also coming.
ben_vulpes: so you'll pay for the beer but not for the babes to get to the middle of goddamn nowhere?
ben_vulpes: or would this party planner actually have to recruit gap-teeth dropouts from the surroundings?
ben_vulpes: also out of curiousity mircea_popescu would you pay for the babetruxx necessary as well?
ben_vulpes: dude that is five hours away and i am not seeking valhalla.
mircea_popescu: that discussion, tis in the logs.
mircea_popescu: but yes, getting a bunch of kids out there'd definitely help.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i doubt they have the gall.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Shit tends to be
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: shit's going to be expensive, and cold.
BingoBoingo: Ah, that's the Plus sized model who is a dead ringer for Karpeles in the face
mircea_popescu: mno i was stillo on the whale
BingoBoingo: I don't think the derps trending #VanillaISIS realize how close they might actually be to right with that label
BingoBoingo: I'm still thinking the Feds are prolly going to channel Janet Reno and Waco the Oregon resistance though.
ben_vulpes: heh is that so?
BingoBoingo: TV and talk radio conveniently ignore the Bundy ranch is still successfully defended from Federal forces
BingoBoingo: Bunch of presidential candidates not-Trump from USia's other socialist party are denouncing the liberating militia's actions in Oregon
mircea_popescu: abhababa what the fuck is that.
ben_vulpes: what is the latest and greatest on the oregon thing?
kakobrekla: dunno if he can afford all that food
mircea_popescu: too pokey down there guts may well come out!
mircea_popescu: mind the backside@
asciilifeform wanders off to pet pet
asciilifeform: as in, woman which has no back side and you put your arms around, and out come the viscera
asciilifeform: at any rate, the problem is never abstraction as such, but leaking abstraction.
asciilifeform: where was it... in koran ??? that had the reminder of 'woman is merely a vessel of guts!111'
mircea_popescu: once she's buck naked the music stops and teh guy inquires why the fuck she stopped ? he was having fun!
mircea_popescu: bored eastern ruler, is presented with novel entertainment. girl comes and slowly strips to music.
mircea_popescu: you know the first strip tease story ?
asciilifeform: and your gurlz hide their guts
mircea_popescu: (ftr that's the fucking definition of the heap : program's own notebook, that it doesn't show you)
mircea_popescu: nope. all programs hide the heap. why does that not qualify ?
asciilifeform: (as in, intended by the builder)
mircea_popescu: the problem is that complex systems are not obviously normal-izable.
asciilifeform: normally there is not much space between 'white noise' and 'works'
asciilifeform: actually it is difficult for machine to lie without having been constructed with malice
mircea_popescu: no, that doesn't make lying not lying, but it does make the problem of not lying as an idiot intractable.
mircea_popescu: it is exceedingly difficult to not lie if bereft of sane priors.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you will note, re "lying", that in my extensive experience 90% of beatings that ever get administered do get administered to a crying, repentful slave that does not believe she was lying.
mircea_popescu: go fix that noob.
mircea_popescu: !gettrust Tomiii
mircea_popescu: neatly mirroring the dichotomy discussed earlier today, about the group that is trying to use computers to compensate by its members outright lack of intelligence, vs the group that is tryi9ng to use computers to leverage the already present intelligence of its members.
mircea_popescu: the former paradigm works well for people without identity. the latter is ideal for people with.
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2016 23:08:28; phf: in "social media" the mechanism of mediation is entirely controlled by platform owners. nothing even remotely similar could be produced on top of facebook, because it would get snuffed in its infancy, with undesirable behaviors eliminated through technical or policy changes.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360438 << the more important difference is re : identity. the POINT of social media is to make it possible for entities devoid of identity to seemingly communicate. the point of b-a is to make it fucking impossible for entities devoid of identity to pretend they're communicating. ☝︎
asciilifeform: SHALL NEVER TELL A MOTHERFUCKING LIE to operator !11111
asciilifeform: 'The machine shall never tell a lie to the operator.'
asciilifeform: this is a classic case of what mircea_popescu spoke of in the earlier thread - 'illicitly uses thing outside of itself'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a longstanding bit of C"S" idiocy. somehow the idea of a "painless" subsystem is "a subsystem that lies about being in pain". if organs worked like that we'd be all dead.
asciilifeform: how this was ever tolerated ?
asciilifeform: but looks like the actual rsa op was carried out WITH THE SUBKEY
asciilifeform: e.g., the foo bar example,
asciilifeform: the other interesting part is that IT LIES
mircea_popescu is somewhat surprised at how in the log, the deep understanding comes from the newb!
asciilifeform: instead you only end up with monkey who is a danger to self and others.
asciilifeform: 'make this usable by monkey'
asciilifeform: instead they have a maximally perverse idea
asciilifeform: 'have nfi what the point' would be an ~improvement~
mircea_popescu: fucking brain rot. all these brogrammers have nfi what the point of programming computers even is.
mircea_popescu: so basically "trying to be a service".
asciilifeform: sorta like the lack of coin control in bitcoin
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2016 01:37:32; asciilifeform: my main objection to subkey as implemented in gpg is that IT DOES NOT TELL YOU OR EVEN LET YOU CHOOSE with which modulus (i.e. which sub) it actually signs with !
asciilifeform: it is in the attempt to divorce the abstraction of what the user is doing from the actual rsa (moduli)
asciilifeform: the sin, it turns out, was a mortal one, and there from the very beginning:
mircea_popescu: but yes - i would have loved to be a bff of gpg. instead we're just best enemies.
asciilifeform: it will all go to same pyre.
mircea_popescu: "subkey" belongs exactly in the same pile "expiration date" belongs in
asciilifeform: (the one on the tits)
asciilifeform: anyone recall how mircea_popescu spewed chunks when i pointed out that he's been signing with a subkey and not with the magical modulus ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: my main objection to subkey as implemented in gpg is that IT DOES NOT TELL YOU OR EVEN LET YOU CHOOSE with which modulus (i.e. which sub) it actually signs with ! ☟︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2016 21:58:41; Tomiii: so what are the main technical differences between this room, and an invite-ony group-chat on FB, Telegram, etc?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: my understanding was that mpex users kept a separate, unpublished pubkey just for it
asciilifeform: subkey is one of those things that could be a useful idea IF IT WORKED and WERE NOT IMPLEMENTED BY IDIOT ☟︎
kakobrekla: asciilifeform that or get kicked out of mpex
BingoBoingo: A subkey for every device that might be captured it advocated
BingoBoingo: I don't think I covered any thing about the subkeys in mine. One of the things passed around before that LOVED subkeys.
asciilifeform: but everybody (with the apparent sole exception of asciilifeform) is doing the whole 'no expire date' thing
kakobrekla: didnt a few ba folks write gpg tutorials including subkey handling not 2 years ago
asciilifeform: and other threadz
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 06:18:08; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: one example of something which Must Die is 'subkeys' << absolutely. i have no fucking idea what chickenbrain thought that's a thing. "o hey, you know what this chevy is made out of ? chevys! because they didn;'t get me that lego set when i was nine and now im fucked in the head."
BingoBoingo: Seriously though, seems like time to stock up on 5 gallon buckets and ass to bucket adapter to have shit ready for when graves happen.
kakobrekla: gpg: Total number processed: 1
BingoBoingo: never too early to start stockpiling graveshit http://chadperson.com/recess/images/bucket_toilet.JPG
asciilifeform: i would like to personally shit on the grave of the author.
asciilifeform: gpg won't allow the key to be signed again, either, because 'was already signed'
asciilifeform: because i did not have this problem before !
asciilifeform: when encrypting to this key
asciilifeform: 'There is no assurance this key belongs to the named user'
assbot: encrypting to a user, "There is no assurance this key belongs to the named user" | GnuPG | users ... ( http://bit.ly/1O7qHsZ )
asciilifeform: apparently same with 1.4.10 on test box (clean keychain)
kakobrekla: will check that out
kakobrekla: i dunno whats up with assbot tho
kakobrekla: i should add some logging to key updating
asciilifeform: so it would appear that sks has done something peculiar to my pubkey.
asciilifeform: while using the key i pasted earlier (exported directly from my pgptron) does not.