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mircea_popescu: barely hangs on by a mix of "grandfathering" and "don't look in this box", much like the usg that spawned them.
mircea_popescu: their version of bitcoin is not actually valid as per the bitcoin protocol.
mircea_popescu: generally the reason power rangers keep wanting to hide the chain and the validation mechanisms is simply that
asciilifeform: aha. so that would be if prb behaved as i believed it did, where it will still eat a block generated by 2009 rules
mircea_popescu: hard forks are a change of the protocol. as the change is NOT valid by everyone's rules, it is definitionally an alt coin.
mircea_popescu: they can be applied by convention. as the chance is still valid by everyone's rule, no changes are needed.
mircea_popescu: mno. soft forks are a narrowing of the protocol.
asciilifeform: i thought 'soft' forks were ones which ~only~ concerned relaying
asciilifeform: if prb considers blocks after certain height containing high-S to be invalid, in what sense was the fork soft ?
mircea_popescu: i'm not about to lead this ace into random trick.
mircea_popescu: anyway, understand the strategic situation here. i can, at this and any future point, decide to revert this soft fork. they can not, they are committed to forever sticking to it.
mircea_popescu: and incidentally - if it weren't cheaper to implement than to just forget it, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DROPPED
asciilifeform digs for the prb src
mircea_popescu: this is why we do not give a rat;s ass about "voting", fundamentally : they already had a vote that indicated ~100% miner agreement that then had 0% actual support.
mircea_popescu: then mined a block with high-s and the whole shebang was forked for 36 hours
mircea_popescu: then failed to implement it
mircea_popescu: bitcoin split specificallyt because miners "voted" to approve the (non controversial, even here, see logs) patch
asciilifeform: (and, naturally, tx generator)
asciilifeform: i thought it was only the relay and selector
mircea_popescu: yes, they did, that's what the "soft fork" debacle was all about.
asciilifeform: only that they are not selected for blocks
asciilifeform: iirc nobody patched prb so that ~block~ containing high-S is invalid
mircea_popescu: we currently can at any point revert to high-s, or any-s.
mircea_popescu: there isn't a "you do yours and i do mine" thing here. IF we decide to mine as much as one single high s block, this INVALIDATES all further work of all noncompliant miners. forever.
asciilifeform: and miner gets to select ANY valid tx-en for his block
mircea_popescu: blocks aren't individual items. they are chained.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun think you understand how this works.
asciilifeform: somebody ought to be collecting those fees!
mod6: so here's a thing -- if I make a vpatch for this, one doesn't need to build with it either. but one could, and that should resolve the issue.
asciilifeform: if idiot miners disregard perfectly legit tx because it tickles gavin's sphincter,
asciilifeform: rather than adding talmudistry to trb
asciilifeform: to me this reads as an argument in favour of a high-S pool
mod6: but, i'd be nice to ship a bitcoinatron that actually bitcoinates without the weird shit. i'd like Mr. P. to be able to send coins without issues.
asciilifeform: if idiot miners arbitrarily decide not to mine tx-en that are equal to 3 congruent modulo 17, what, we also will not generate these ?
asciilifeform: can't think of for what else
mod6: ok, other than that?
mod6: is there a reason for only high-S ?
asciilifeform: (i still fail to grasp why we are caving to the enemy on this one)
mircea_popescu: (this can be tacked on at the end, the protocol is really that shitty)
mod6: was thinking that. could just have a switch for "classic" mode where you get the 50/50 action on high/low, or only low-S.
mircea_popescu: mod6 basically all it needs is a test-and-substract.
asciilifeform: esp. when we finally get that mine pool
asciilifeform: mod6: it could make sense as a toggle flag
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:15:32; mircea_popescu: if the company you manage behaves as an approximation of a cockroach, your wife needs a divorce.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369526 << there is only one Great Cockroach, and all of these folks are merely fuzz upon its antennae. << it's funny how much of a judeoxtian fundamentalist you are seeing how you don't even alphabet! wouldn't something equally ridiculous like indian-whatever go better with your semiotic ideas ? ☝︎
mod6: so currently, the main thing im working on/looking at is a possible high/low-S vpatch
mircea_popescu: (you may not know of all the 90s "urban revival" attempts that created such as modern portland etc, after a seattle blueprint)
mod6: I just need to get to it. lol. lot on my plate. if anyone would like to start work on this with direction from me that'd be fine too. just let me know.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> FIGHT ME IRL UNCLE AL << youi have to appreciate this is before your oregon was invented
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 01:20:17; BingoBoingo: There is no single last one. There's 3 last ones.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369573 << is somebody gonna write a full 'v' treatise ? << i think what we need is basically like an RFC of the thing to explain the overall concepts and baseline functions. this way anyone can implement their own V without having to parse mine, yours, or bens, or whomever. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu the malleus thing was a real win. nodez going strong.
mod6: but you don't hvae to know the subdir to make the sync work properly. you just put the root URL of the given mirror
asciilifeform: or is there some rsync thing going
asciilifeform: mod6: the www ?
mod6: your latest two patches & corresponding seals were added.
assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQkfe3 )
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:48:18; BingoBoingo: So, why is the v mirror so behind on patches?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369542 << there was a v mirror ?!! wut? << the only mirror at this time is http://thebitcoin.foundation ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 19:19:53; shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo #VanillaISIS goes actual ISIS: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/isis-supporter-joins-ammon-bundys-armed-occupation-as-resident-computer-expert/
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369394 << this is what 'will is everything' looks like - a mental asylum, half full of provocateur stooges, half - of diagnosable imbeciles ☝︎
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 31 weeks, 0 days, 22 hours, 45 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <smickles> easily a few more bil in things like BPOs and BPCs
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 23:45:24; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369354 << who was this ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369476 << somebody with an 's' name, i think... smickles ?? ☝︎
asciilifeform: with possible exception of folks whose gen was stolen and haven't gotten around to buying a new one yet
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:09:39; mircea_popescu: dja have one of those gasoline generators or "not-available-in-2nd-best-korea" ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369510 << they are ubiquitous where i live. i think literally everybody, other than flat-dwellers, has one ☝︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Per the latest mod6 v script, playing with all the things
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:14:23; assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 14:02:09; mircea_popescu: "Why Mr. Schwartz, that is brilliant! We have no staff positions open at this time, but we will certainly try your idea."
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369522 << btw, i've actually been in this comical situation, on more than one occasion ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:48:18; BingoBoingo: So, why is the v mirror so behind on patches?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369542 << there was a v mirror ?!! wut? ☝︎
asciilifeform: grows ten more.
asciilifeform: and it is an iron cockroach, and quite indifferent to poison.
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:15:32; mircea_popescu: if the company you manage behaves as an approximation of a cockroach, your wife needs a divorce.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369526 << there is only one Great Cockroach, and all of these folks are merely fuzz upon its antennae. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 01:20:17; BingoBoingo: There is no single last one. There's 3 last ones.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369573 << is somebody gonna write a full 'v' treatise ? ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 02:39:41; mircea_popescu: isn't that "you're not an alley cat until..." ?
asciilifeform recently changed professions in a direction that probably brings them a little nearer
asciilifeform: and i bet they are already hatched, somewhere.
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 02:47:05; ben_vulpes: pay for your gravestone today!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369687 << i think i only paid enough for pirannhas ☝︎
ben_vulpes: pay for your gravestone today! ☟︎
ben_vulpes: > and only two years remain before they will be having a layoff << work for other people, get fired by other people
mircea_popescu: but in other news : chocolate cake being in the making, i was humbly presented with spoon of ganache to lick. (yes while sitting here, ha!). and so i did and because of my beard ... the pleasant scent still floats around my nose.
thestringpuller: i thought girls hated getting scratched by beards?
mircea_popescu: isn't that "you're not an alley cat until..." ? ☟︎
ben_vulpes: "you're not a man until you can get a girl off just by tickling her with your whiskers"
mircea_popescu: " According to his analysis, even a judge's decision that there is probable cause tosuspect a crime has been committed won't" << oh no, what ever more fearsome thing than when the fiction begins to fray.
ben_vulpes: i have farcial hair now, total game-changer
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 02:19:37; ben_vulpes: make nothing, no more than mircea_popescu makes gurlz enslave themselves to him
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369635 << wait, it's, to quote, "your profile is very interesting, not to mention your devilish good looks" ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: some of them don't even look 45.
ben_vulpes: that cuspy "ohmigaerd the fun times are about to be oooover" age
thestringpuller: ^- yea. i think >50% of women who hook up before that age end up "regretting it"
mircea_popescu: for instance... did you know that ~20% of women looking to hook up are 29 ?
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, i'm starting to be real suspicious over here about plainly observable nonliniarities in the flow of time.
assbot: Quote by Nassim Nicholas Taleb: “Every social association that is not face-to-fa...” ... ( http://bit.ly/1PcovjN )
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 01:23:57; assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:19:11; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369219 << i can definitely see b-a being too fast for herr t.