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BingoBoingo: They'll move as they tend to do.
mod6: And V mirror has been updated, as well as the graph (http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html)
deedbot-: [Qntra] Corn Belt Pain Continues As Supply Trickles Into Markets - http://qntra.net/2016/01/corn-belt-pain-continues-as-supply-trickles-into-markets/
polarbeard: ben_vulpes: for looking to the lines above and below and use that as the defaults
asciilifeform: generally i see 'style guide' as a thing between the writer and his gods
mircea_popescu: stuff like { much easier to fix as patches/code is reviewed, by and by.
mod6: there was a discussion around this, and decided to leave them in as a result. will dig up...
asciilifeform: as in exactly same code.
polarbeard: also removes one conditional, as ascii noted days ago
ben_vulpes: i prefer my c++ as antagonistic as possible
asciilifeform: as for prb, it doesn't like talking to trb (esp. with the malleus patch)
mats: he doesn't pm me anymore, probably because i'm not as fun as ben_vulpes
mod6: For posterity: Do not do this. If you get a neg rating and you care about your wot ident, do be an adult and do as I said. Lot less problems and drama this way.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6, polarbeard, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: y'all follow? << this is my 0.00000002: If you don't trust a man, no matter what his keyid is today, how can i ignore that and trust a new ident? The correct thing to do as a man, admit your mistake, and or ask for forgiveness and move on. Simple as that. We're all adults here.
ben_vulpes: but register formal irritation re your inability or refusal to answer to inquiries such as http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384093 ☝︎
ben_vulpes: and as specifically regards polarbeard, i am happy to review patches
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "entirely destructured".
assbot: Logged on 16-11-2015 21:01:21; ascii_field: would let you wander off to wherever spies go when a war is over. You know why?' he said. 'No,' I said. 'Because you could never have served the enemy as well as you served us,' he said. 'I realized that almost all the ideas that I hold now, that make me unashamed of anything I may have felt or done as a Nazi, came not from Hitler, not from Goebbels, not from Himmler — but from you.' He took my hand.
assbot: Logged on 16-11-2015 21:01:21; ascii_field: BingoBoingo: 'I didn't know that,' I said. 'No one knows everything,' he said. 'Did you know,' he said, 'that until almost this very moment nothing would have delighted me more than to prove that you were a spy, to see you shot?' 'No,' I said. 'And do you know why I don't care now if you were a spy or not?' he said. 'You could tell me now that you were a spy, and we would go on talking calmly, just as w
mircea_popescu: moreover, gpg is specificalloy intended to work as a PSEUDONYMOUS system. much like bitcoin addresses are.
polarbeard: mod6: I created a new ident because I nuked my keys, but I understand your position, you could have told me I'm not welcomed as well, instead of talking to me
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: so long as they have same endian
asciilifeform: (i am about as far from the project as could be imagined)
asciilifeform: (you can cross-compile trivially, and gcc gives 10x the compactness of vs crud. just treat the box as a kind of nintendo.)
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: because qntra has giant "DDOS me" sign on it's back as it walks to halls?
asciilifeform: but you can work on it, yes. just as you could probably solder a keyboard to a nintendo and work on that.
asciilifeform: and censored just as soon.
mircea_popescu: just a simple "isis finally moving to pgp, like b-a/alf/mp said they should. usg petrified about actual, strong cryptography - as opposed to the ecc and assorted shit they peddle - being deployed by those opposing its reign of terror"
danielpbarron: i was gonna ask BingoBoingo what he uses; i'm tryin to get a blog up as well
LquidNinjaAssets: It doesn't really matter, I was just looking for some #b-a advice on who to use as a hosting service if I wanted to start a no frills blog...
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384239 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384263 << this argument is every bit as applicable to everybody's, including mircea_popescu's, cpu... ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 19:02:54; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384173 << do you mean 'the full orchestra' as advertised on trb ml?
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384173 << do you mean 'the full orchestra' as advertised on trb ml? ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: but generally, as an aspiring young lord, you don't have either the time or the resources to spend any time or resources with any women that would settle for anything but the best they can possibly get.
asciilifeform: sorta like lioness ovulates as soon as the old cubs are recycled, aha
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 07:46:51; ben_vulpes: it is weekends like this that make me reconsider how i spent my youth as a misspend, when i see trinque and asciilifeform with usable professional non apple toolchains
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 00:05:24; danielpbarron: >> me: the universe does not guarantee a solution to things that humans perceive as problems. << personification of 'universe' to replace God
asciilifeform: thing is, at least the way i understood it, the whole ~point~ of openbsd was as a fortress against poetteringization. and it appears to be in ruins, based on above
punkman: "As FSF GCC died a silent death from malnutrition, both were (formally) reunited as of version 2.95 in April 1999.  With a simple renaming trick, egcs became gcc now and formally the split was over"
punkman: "Why are we doing this? It's become increasingly clear in the course of hacking events that the FSF's needs for gcc2 are at odds with the objectives of many in the community who have done lots of hacking and improvement over the years. GCC is part of the FSF's publicity for the GNU project, as well as being the GNU system's compiler, so stability is paramount for them. On the other hand,
phf: mircea_popescu: ok, so i wouldn't say not welcome, but since neither patch was given a courtesy of a smooth transition, i assumed that neither are seen as particularly important. спасение утопающих дело рук самих утопающих (tm) (r)
phf: as it stands foundation doesn't support openbsd, and when someone wants to build on openbsd, i just support them directly ☟︎☟︎
phf: mircea_popescu: well, openbsd and timestamp are written in old diff format, their migration was not done by foundation when majority of patches were moved to vdiff. i interpreted that move as the patches not being needed and an invitation to perform migration myself.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: it's been an alternative scheme for as long as i can remember
pete_dushenski: just noticed that crapple is pulling the same version naming strange as bitcoin 'core', ie. v. x.9 followed by x.10, x.11, x.12, etc. (is this the equiv. of web 2.12 ?)
phf: openbsd patch as written results in a working build on both linux and openbsd. it introduces necessary ifdefs to ensure cross platform support. the only change that it does to makefile is, at least according to my research, is necessary with some versions of gcc, rather then openbsd specific (has to do with static linking of pthread). without that change build ~can~ produce broken static bitcoind on both openbsd and linux. at the time
ben_vulpes: it is weekends like this that make me reconsider how i spent my youth as a misspend, when i see trinque and asciilifeform with usable professional non apple toolchains ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "cyber boys" as opposed to what, banking girls ?
polarbeard: surely was introduced for it, windows users see logs as a feature
mircea_popescu: so as they say, don't sign anything you might regret.
asciilifeform: to work as intended.
asciilifeform: as in, canonical ~physical object~
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 18:15:49; mircea_popescu: dude speaking of "provability" bs. FSB are "provably secure" because it can be proven they're at least as hard as regular syndrome decoding. which is np complete. while we don't actually know if THAT is in fact resolvable in polynomial time or not, nevertheless... PROVEDLY SECURE!!11
adlai: the general goals being - get the data in there, as cheaply as possible, without same standards as http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490 and some reasonable method to random-access without having to reconstruct the entire turd
mircea_popescu: mod6 to my mind it's almost as if we bit a recursion girder over here. "v presses source". "ok how do i build it ?" "uh... i guess you need a v-make genesis and follow that for your os." "ok... how do i do that ?" "well... get v-make-make and..."
mod6: yeah, very much so. a good conversation to have though, as our future roadmap depends on some early-on food for thought.
mircea_popescu: even if currently available on web endpoint as well.
mircea_popescu: obviously, as a general thing, people MIGHT consider running a bitcoin node on any box they run.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am actually dealing with precisely this as we speak
pete_dushenski: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/users/2016/01/vr_porn_is_here_does_virtual_sex_really_feel_real.html?curator=MediaREDEF <-- same 'amanda hess' chica as --> http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/18/you-need-an-ambien-to-sleep-because-you-bought-the-trappings-of-power-instead-of-the-real-thing/
adlai notes that the three laws are phrased as guidelines for builders, rather than code for execution
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (~different~ braindamage than in linux, and this is appealing to some people) << This is pretty much its appeal to me. I have modest needs as far as necessary hardware and necessary software go.
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 00:41:21; mod6: The hang up here is that, it basically can't be mirrored in the same place as the rest of the patches; simply because when one sync's up against a mirror your changes will break the rest of the tree.
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 00:41:21; mod6: The hang up here is that, it basically can't be mirrored in the same place as the rest of the patches; simply because when one sync's up against a mirror your changes will break the rest of the tree.
ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND that Oberlin College stop functioning as a gentrifying institution"
asciilifeform: i remember reading as a kid, about some south american dictator who gave his phriendz such a thing, and being horrified
mod6: you're just using it as a storage bin for the time being?
mod6: The hang up here is that, it basically can't be mirrored in the same place as the rest of the patches; simply because when one sync's up against a mirror your changes will break the rest of the tree. ☟︎☟︎
danielpbarron: >> me: the universe does not guarantee a solution to things that humans perceive as problems. << personification of 'universe' to replace God ☟︎
mircea_popescu: hanbot should be universal. if i find any thing worse than in the time of the predecessors i'm bringing out the machine guns and fire throwers as a matter of principle. and i want the skies bathed in the screams of the innocent and the blood of gutted babes, also as a matter of principle.
phf: so only thing i did with timestamps in logs is add milliseconds to the log printer (to add necessary precisions to graphs). i'm pretty sure i discovered that blockchain height served as well in my case (produced similar shapes with none of the "laptop went to sleep" noise), but i was looking specifically at the number of block send/recv retries
mircea_popescu: "I recently moved to the Pacific Northwest from Baltimore. What partly impelled the move was being beaten up by a black guy who I had grappled with and held down after he was chasing his girlfriend with a baseball bat. His GF and another woman went nuts, beating me as he and I grappled on the ground with me holding the bat with both arms. To shut them up, I stupidly rolled the bat away and let him get up. He promptly d
BingoBoingo: of a program to enroll recently released prisoners from a nearby prison as undergraduates, divestment from Israel, and a requirement that black student leaders be paid $8.20 an hour for their organizing efforts."
ben_vulpes: for someone reason vasalgel is being pushed as an alternative to risug
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 00:12:37; asciilifeform: and even not considering this absurdity, you would have same problem as vasectomy patient (the sperm gets reabsorbed and your immune system begins to generate antibodies against it. with bonus measurable extra risk of alzheimer's)
BingoBoingo: "When one boy snarled she should go back to India, she told him that under his argument he should go back to Africa. That cost her a disciplinary inquiry for 'racism'. She was also hauled in for suspected 'racism' when she used the technical term "negate" in her class -- and a black girl took it as an epithet and brought her hell-raising mother to school to confront her in the principal's office. "
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: reading the log i posted as his rating was not enough ?
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 17:52:11; mircea_popescu: re BingoBoingo 's https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/808993/4006420 << check out the ugly head of puritanism rearing its head yet again. "if i don't enjoy anything in the world i will surely be spared doom!!1". nothing's quite as resilient as idiocy.
asciilifeform: i found it a puzzling thing, esp. given as nato world uses professional soldiers rather than orcish conscripts, the latter presumably cannot be trained to let go of the trigger
thestringpuller: She doesn't cook as well as my buddy who went to culinary school.
asciilifeform: (it isn't as if they were of any serious amplitude, or even fluctuated in any particular phase to salaries, interest rates, or other relevant number)
assbot: Micro apartments as small as 150 square feet NW Portland | KGW.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuuyQQ )
ben_vulpes: http://www.kgw.com/news/local/micro-apartments-as-small-as-150-square-feet-nw-portland/4373570
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion of sharing space and not fucking is almost as ridiculous as the notion of female wearing clothes before 30.
asciilifeform: we have gigantic towers of these very same things here, and more being built as we speak
ben_vulpes: and as a matter of fact horses /are/ allowed on the road.
asciilifeform: as a driver, i always despised the self-righteous pedaller who was convinced that he 'saved mother earth'
thestringpuller: in peak traffic takes just as long to travel to work on bike as by car
ben_vulpes: the notion of a functional town only mildly corrupted by cars must be as foreign to you as an atomic dirigible.
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382886 << for starters, stop capitalizing it... LISP is from the same era as ALGOL and nobody uses either one today ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i just read it as "the difference between one's understanding and the course requirement, call it D, is the maximal aperture past which useful metaphors (with an utility marked as U) and inept strawmen (with a deviance marked as -U) can still be distinguished"
mircea_popescu: and incidentally, as a bright mathematical mind pointed out once, "at some point the effort invested in stating rsa is 'widely researched' exceeds the effort ever expended into researching it"
asciilifeform: (as secure as 8x the bits of rsa!1111111)
mircea_popescu: "this bag is as heavy as that car. we don't know whether that car is just a cardboard cutout or what, but hey, provedly heavy bag! !1"
mircea_popescu: dude speaking of "provability" bs. FSB are "provably secure" because it can be proven they're at least as hard as regular syndrome decoding. which is np complete. while we don't actually know if THAT is in fact resolvable in polynomial time or not, nevertheless... PROVEDLY SECURE!!11 ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, i now envision your toilet-of-the-future as looking rather like a cray-II.
mircea_popescu: anyway, as a general point : even if you did compute a fastest route, and even if in fact you are correct (which is fundamentally an undecidable problem), there is still no reason to panic if phenomena goes a slightly more circuitous path. there are at least two good reasons, both political. one's education (ie, benefit of the ingroup), the other ... well let's just say the other's for the benefit of the outgroup.
mircea_popescu: re BingoBoingo 's https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/808993/4006420 << check out the ugly head of puritanism rearing its head yet again. "if i don't enjoy anything in the world i will surely be spared doom!!1". nothing's quite as resilient as idiocy. ☟︎
asciilifeform: (as discussed in the c++11 thread)
asciilifeform: json is really sexpr but was dropped as a baby