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jurov: but
then
the end situation is not 15k with means but one ruler and subjects
mircea_popescu: humiliating all
the "world saving" derps is into proper uranium mines is
the other half.
mircea_popescu: the
two go hand in hand. selling obama's daughters at public auction where gaddafi's palace used
to stand is just half
the story.
mircea_popescu: and
the path
to flattening it is ruining
the "wealthy" and
trampling
the "people".
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 20:06:27; mircea_popescu: "oh, i got better opportunities elsewhere" "working on fixing
tyhat" "i'd rather sit on reddit
than work for a fair rate NO MATTER WHAT" "i guess we put a reddit lcd on your
tombstone
then".
mircea_popescu: currently
the wealth curve is very zipf-skewed, which is a serious problem.
mircea_popescu: review
the discussion of buffett's fraudulent pretenses as
to "the low
tax".
jurov: okay back
to
the proportion. why don't you pay
to build
the atomic dirigible, for
the 15k with means?
mircea_popescu: when a butt-ugly wench
that should be
thankful if she ever gets laid for free imagines herself above what kim kardashian /
the very peak of her profession actually make, it's indisputable
the self-valuation ran amok.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: a) not looking like
that. b) we can't really discuss absolute numbers seriously.
there's no basis. i was just illustrating proportions.
jurov: you know how much chinese, or even north korean chix already get, it's more
than 0.1/hr
mircea_popescu: for my curiosity, how much do you figure
that chick was worth ?
mircea_popescu: "oh, i got better opportunities elsewhere" "working on fixing
tyhat" "i'd rather sit on reddit
than work for a fair rate NO MATTER WHAT" "i guess we put a reddit lcd on your
tombstone
then".
☟︎ jurov: yes. mircea decides
that washing silicon or eulora art ought
to be done for $.1 per hour and universe obliges
ben_vulpes: aaand
that was actually indonesia, so i'm probably
thinking about
the wrong
thing.
phf: i
thought cpus were mostly built in u.s. and japan? hence
the whole fukushima supply line disruption
jurov: 1. it ain't ferite core weaving 2.
the gals doing
that were paid very well
jurov: ascii_shmoocon: looky now who is
throwing rivers of meat on
the problem
mircea_popescu: but yes,
the chinese gurlz prove
they can, and do just fine. and so do
the mill girls of 19th century, for
that matter.
jurov: hahaha you
think shitheads are capable of following strict
technological process?
mircea_popescu: jurov no,
the shitheads now on reddit, soon
to make 10 cents an hour will do it.
mircea_popescu: note
that
the average cpu/capita value of
the world in general is sub .5, whereas in your house is over 10
jurov: eh mircea_popescu, go grow si monocrystals and wash
the wafers in hf yourself
mircea_popescu: nonsense. between selling 8mn crapples
to 15mn cows and selling 1.5mn actual computers
to 15k actual people,
the latter prevails.
mircea_popescu: and note
that you're basing your mind on an idiotic "1 person = 1 computer" view.
mircea_popescu: the only
thing
the FIFTY years of chump did was
take a shit on everything else.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 19:49:41; mircea_popescu: i dunno why you
think
the world is chump-backed. it ain't. usg is, sure, but whatevs.
mircea_popescu: guess whether
the 15k or
the 15mn model promotes
this view.
mircea_popescu: and i don't give a shit how many cardanos get sold. what interests me is for
them
to be good.
jurov: you do. and you don't want
to sell 15m cardanos, instead of 15k?
mircea_popescu: not relevantly so. newton's laboratory had fixed costs, just like alf's laboratory does. guess who pays
those fixed costs ?
jurov: structural difference is
that it's marginally easier
to mine and smelt quality steel for 15mn
than 15k.
mircea_popescu: the only difference i can see (that with selected 15k you can actually communicate, whereas
the 15mn you can only herd, which is why copywriting instead of literature, pr instead of logic etc) argues against your position.
mircea_popescu: or moreover : what do you
think is structurally differfent between 15k and 15mn ?
jurov: moreover if it exists, you expound
that 15k of people with means are interested
to pay it
themselves?
jurov: you
think
that fixed engineering costs for new
technology does not exist or what?
jurov: i am just explaining it
to you, ooks like we miss each other
mircea_popescu: i dunno why you
think
the world is chump-backed. it ain't. usg is, sure, but whatevs.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: heck, maybe
they won't. in which case
they prolly have a good reason.
jurov: the 15k people with means will pay for a computer or a car only if
they foresee a possibility
to recoup it from
the chumps later
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so
they'd pay for ice scuplutrs enogh
to buy
the same weight in poor mill girls,
jurov: so
they wanted
to party, not pay for
technology. and
this changed how?
mircea_popescu: in victorian britain people were more
than willing
to pay
the fixed costs for parties in excess of
the sustenance needed by one lancastershire neighbourhood.
jurov: why babbage machine was not doen
then?
mircea_popescu: stop making
the chumps have money
they can't earn, problem goes awaqy
jurov: you could have had a computer in fucking victorian britain. no one wanted
to pay
the fixed cost for
the 1st item.
jurov: no political bickering will change
the fact
that engineering has huge fixed costs
that are best split
to as many chumps as possible
mircea_popescu: and
that flattening begins with "fuck you, salaries between 20k and 100k. how about from 120
to 12k a year instead"
mircea_popescu: this pretense whereby "everyone is equal" covers
the very abrupt distribution curve where 99% owns jack shit and 1% has no fucking idea what
to do with
the world. needs
to be flattened out.
jurov: would
they want
to split
the fixed costs?
mircea_popescu: the original buyers of cars weren't
the 150mn derps, but
the 15k people with means.
jurov: it would struck
them as deeply uneconomical and
they'd just revert
to horses
punkman: small car-factory is not
that expensive, it's not cpu fab
jurov: how would a
tiny group of people cover
the costs for mining and roads with smooth surface necessary?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: make
the average derp earn 10 cents an hour, make a car 5k and all is well.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: cars are fine, just, a society where income disparity is less
than 100x makes a mess of
them.
ben_vulpes: phf: and in
those cities
the cars park for 4+ hours and
the
trucks doing actual work double park next
to
them
mircea_popescu: un-fun fact :
too much oral sex is actualy damaging
to
the penis.
jurov: roflmao "women are waking up with yawn, men with erection.
this can't be coincidence!"
mircea_popescu: you shyould see
these derps. half of
the half
that even bothers
to signal, signals wrongly.
mod6: when i drive, i sound like i have
tourettes im sure.
mircea_popescu: phf cars drive
the first case of power laws observed in day
to day life. people manage
to generate
traffic in 1k inhabitant
townlets.
phf: ben_vulpes: what i meant is
that in a city like new york or sf where everything's covered in cars at saturation, fighting over areas in front of shops seems like a meaningful endeavor, but portland?
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should confess i read "nigger
tagging" and did a doubletake
fluffypony: copypaste: b) applies
to Monero, and has applied
to Monero for
the past 20 months, so
there's
that
mats: hard charger,
this guy
copypaste: as mircea
told you,
there can only be one
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why
there is no such
thing as "cryptocurrencies" on
Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1fsGWG5 )
mircea_popescu: who knew
the geeks were going
to
take
their "go
to
the prom with
their friend dressed as a woman"
to its logical conclusion.
phf: anyone got kicked out for dongle jokes yet?or we past
that point?
adlai: given
that you're limited by
the chances of Bitcoin *failing*... "that's not saying much"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah but
this is
the spawning ground of long
tail events.
the chances of
the us ever mattering were about
the same as argentina's.
fluffypony: let's be fair,
though,
the chances of Monero ever becoming
the largest cryptocurrency is about
the same as
the chances of mircea_popescu secretly being a woman all along
assbot: Logged on 31-12-2015 19:02:48; ascii_rear: adlai:
this
thread is good sober adlai
mircea_popescu: so in
the end, what any dev group
thinks on
the
timing of forks is of interest
to pretty much
their biographers.
mircea_popescu: anyway. forks are utterly not at
the disposition of any mortal. and
there's no lesser mortal
than a dev.
fluffypony tries
to find
the Highlander
theme song
mats: i had a chance
to scoop a shmoocon
ticket