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ascii_butugychag: i would argue
that an illiterate kid who sees nothing wrong with copying bits is every bit as sane in
this regard as RMS
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: you are
thinking of... purpose, rather
than cause
BingoBoingo: Mens Rae or
the inability
to have it is a driving force in Consumermunism
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag:
The crowd whose
taste in music sucks so
they pirate
that and lament getting caught. Different from piracy because Fuck You in
that pircy because Fuck you gets moral agency.
BingoBoingo: I wrap
that and
the "piracy because poor"
together with some other idiocies into
the Consumermunism label.
BingoBoingo: They are, but
the remaining unions protest against walmart because of it.
ascii_butugychag: for some reason i
thought
those folks were forbidden
to unionize
BingoBoingo: You ever seen
the anti-Walmart union protests or at least heard about
them?
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: You know
the sort of socialism
that's primarily focused around what Walmart and
the Record labels are doing
BingoBoingo: punkman: Falkvinge comes from a very peculair form of socialism I like
to refer
to Consumermunism
punkman: lol Falkvinge, "If
there's no profit
to be made in using bitcoin as a drop-in replacement for credit card payments, bitcoin will not be deployed at scale. Deployment and outcompeting legacy systems depend entirely on merchant financial gains from rollout."
☟︎ ascii_butugychag: (that is, vermin who base
their entire lives on strategic deception and multilevel chumpatronics)
ascii_butugychag: against
the people called 'adhesivists' in
the 'shall be delivered'
tale
PeterL: surprisingly hard, but
that's mostly my fault
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 15:15:10; mod6: Attention
TRB
Testers: If you want
to help
test, please
take
the
time
to build
trb via
trinque's makefiles here;
http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000190.html (Should be basically getting & verifing
the
tar ball; plus setting up a ~/.wot dir with keys for V
to use) --
then a `make` in
the directory. Please report your findings.
Thanks.
ascii_butugychag: and said document, at least in my attempt, was
to describe some of
the cockroaches
that have been running around in human mind for millenia,
that it
tries
to chlorophos.
ascii_butugychag: rather
than
the 'how', which is bound up in a particular implementation and probably best learned from ~reading its src~
ascii_butugychag: at any rate,
the large part of what i see as needing a manual, is
the ~why~ of v
mircea_popescu: anyway, a large part of
trying
to make a manual is
that fuck me, we barely even understand what we're doing.
mircea_popescu: makes your "fits on page"
thing much more of an issue. "all programs must fit within so and so viewport"
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag
this is going
towards "animated programs", where instead of looking at a program as a[n ultimately] bitmap you instead look at it as a gif, with layers coming on
top of each other.
mircea_popescu: but ima put it first as an article so we don't end up needing a
ton of small fixes signed
mircea_popescu: and
the idea being,
that one can read whatever fucking manual he wants, signed by whatever subset of sigs he likes.
mircea_popescu: i guess in
time
the convention
that x-manual holds
the manual will resolve
this.
mircea_popescu: anyway, what i'm going
to do here is : write a
trilema article
titled
The V Manual Genesis or something, which will discuss but also contain a genesis for something called v-manual
ascii_butugychag: so i would readily believe it if i had any reason
to
think it
true
mircea_popescu: not even close. it's just what you want
to believe so as not
to wake screaming from your sleep.
ascii_butugychag: there is not a meta-america whose pants
these engineers want
to put on.
mircea_popescu: you recall
the story of
the palace fire when
that castrato ascended ?
mircea_popescu: why didn't 1910 china mobilize
the infinity army it had and beat
the english ?
mircea_popescu: for
that matter, why didn't soviet russia mobilize all
those book-only assets ?
ascii_butugychag: it has plenty of each, but
they are not on 'gs' civil service ladder.
mircea_popescu: why does it keep losing in
the east when it could have "leveraged" it's "best army in
the world" bahamas has in rthe books ?
ascii_butugychag: why does usg keep returning
to idiot humint claptrap (e.g., 'consensus-building' etc) when it could leverage its only real strength, money and captive engineers ?
mircea_popescu: "This devastating outcome for stakeholders indicates what can happen when much brainpower and energy are applied
to a faulty premise."
ascii_butugychag: (though i recently bought a strange widget
that puts electric current
through your wrist and keeps you from barfing, nfi how, but wurks, so we can see again!)
mircea_popescu: tel lyou what, i'ma make it a v instead, fuck
this stupid shit.
mircea_popescu: "The RFC Editor generally follows
these accepted rules as defined by
the Chicago Manual of Style (CMOS) [CMOS], with a few important exceptions
to avoid ambiguity in complex
technical prose and
to handle mixtures of
text and computer languages, or
to preserve historical formatting rules." << kids,
this is how not
to code.
mircea_popescu: da fuck. am i going
to call it a rfc ? if not, why not, if yes am i going
to follow
the "guidelines" ? which ?
the most recent ? who
the fuck is "Internet Architecture Board (IAB)"
that i should care, nevber heard of 'em.
the original ? seriously, postel ?
mircea_popescu: "The basic formatting conventions for RFCs were established in
the 1970s by
the original RFC Editor, Jon Postel."
mircea_popescu: i
think we've seen enough of
the pitfals of disconsidering progeny in satoshi's work.
mircea_popescu: it can also be n, if you just use
the right fucking names.
mircea_popescu: the only saving grace i see here is
that it doesn't HAVE
to be n^2
ascii_butugychag: that's
the job of whoever
thinks it needs another million patches, no?
mircea_popescu: consider
this scenario : bitcoin in 2020. mod6 has meanwhile gone hunting seals on
the artic circle. you live in a remote mining colony up on
the fucking moon.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag x lost its only asset because people couldn't agree
to sit down and extend it.
mircea_popescu: you can't get
those people in a room
together
to sign a new genesis.
ascii_butugychag: just like every kid who wants
to doodle in
the margins of newton's principia starts with ~the same~ edition
thereof
ascii_butugychag: one would
think
that an old and famous
tree woudl end up perma-pressed at some point
mircea_popescu: for
the same reason louis xvth pretended he comes from
the fucking sun
punkman: ascii_butugychag:
that is, individual 'patchons' ? << darcs does some of
that automatically
mircea_popescu: people will NOT WANT
to genesis an old and famous
tree.
mircea_popescu: and your guess depends on how people software as a much lower node on
that
tree.
mircea_popescu: for
the following reason : v adoption will induce a major shift in how software is
treated,
jurov: i did not say anything about comfort, either. how do you propose bundling
the patch spanning several files where hunks don't make sense individually?
mircea_popescu: seems on some very rudimentary
testing and evaluation
that
the compile would still
take longer
than
the gathering of patches with ~1mn ish of
them around
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 15:59:27; ascii_butugychag: after a certain point,
there oughta be a new genesis.
ascii_butugychag: because it is not built for comfort. just as
t-34
tank was not.
ascii_butugychag: btw i hope everybody understands
that life with 'v' is always going
to resemble dark age blood sports like cvs, etc. far more
than modern greased poles (e.g., 'git')
☟︎ jurov: iirc it
tracked changes per one file only
jurov: i see it as going back
to RCS , no idea otherwise
ascii_butugychag: i will leave
the 'why' as an exercise. largely because
this is not a pressing issue.
mod6: we could do it
that way, it /may/ make
things easier in
the sense of V -- we've been doing it
the way we are
to keep
the patch count low iirc.
ascii_butugychag: in
that
things
that have no business being glued
together, ARE
ascii_butugychag: well if you
think about it,
the way we have it now is actually more complicated
mod6: ascii_butugychag: you mean, atoms in
the sense of vpatches only for individual source files
touched?