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ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: weird, i was under
the impression
they went
to 'munches' on
the coast
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu linked a lulzy story about rape fantasizers visiting
those
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes:
Those seem
to be a coastal
thing
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: hasn't found
the sex addict 12-step groups yet?
☟︎ BingoBoingo though seriously has
to start exploring new meetings
to find
the ones with
the pretty girls, so
that he may be 13th stepped.
trinque: that's a hard rule of history right
there
trinque: if it bothers
to prohibit sheep fucking...
there was sheep fucking
trinque: ben_vulpes: you gotta read between
the lines mang
ben_vulpes: hey now
trinque insanely long book of retarded rules says no fucking sheep, nobody fucked sheep
that's racist
BingoBoingo: You know... It would prolly be easier
to V-ify
the Big Book for provenance
than an English Bible
translation.
trinque: group of sheep fuckers
that were excluded from
the interesting happenings of
their own
time wrote down all
the facts of life
ben_vulpes: trinque: danielpbarron has
the /truth/ you see
BingoBoingo: Eh, my copy's not in
the original language. Could be a bad
translation.
BingoBoingo pulls out "Fear and
Trembling" which I've been reading as a part of step
three
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: I can't even get
to infinite resignation yet.
phf: this is similar
to concept of ishvara, i.e. a
true divinity of chosen denomination, from
the yoga sutras. it's
the idea
that interpretation allows for non yhvh
BingoBoingo: Who can have faith as Abraham,
the father of faith did?
ben_vulpes imagines danielpbarron getting a hold of a mistranslation of other ancient
texts, declaring fatwa
BingoBoingo: Not everone can be Abraham
to
take
the
trip
to Moriah
danielpbarron: I assume nothing.
They say
themselves what "higher power" means >> Because of
the A.A. policy of a "God, as we understand Him," A.A. is a den of demonic activity. In
the booklet, Conscious Contact,
they write, . . .
there are probably as many different ideas about a Higher Power, or God, as
there are people in
Twelve Step programs. (p. 8)
ben_vulpes: "higher power must mean what i mean by god, and so
therefore HEWETICS"
BingoBoingo can see nothing wrong in a way of life
that offers him
the possibility of living
to see socialism crushed
trinque: it is
the mechanism of submission, plain and simple.
ben_vulpes: you assume you know what
they mean by higher power man
ben_vulpes: "o i dun need
to
talk
to
them, i read some ancient
texts.
this is how we do in my church so it's
the right way
to do
things elsewhere."
danielpbarron: I reject your premise
that
these people need
to be
talked
to in order for me
to know
they are wrong
BingoBoingo only laments he hasn't found
the meetings with
the pretty girls so he can be 13th stepped
ben_vulpes: for not actually
talking
to
the practitioners
danielpbarron: nothing wrong with judging, but you are
the one who suggested I am in
the wrong for doing exactly
that
phf: that's how
they do in portland
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Ah, but
the published literature misses "sponsorship"
ben_vulpes: you're way over
there in your church of self-righteous unexamined life, examining everyone else from a pillar of plugged ears and closed eyes.
danielpbarron: I do not need
to
talk
to anyone. I have
their own published literature
to go by.
danielpbarron: do I also need
to murder
to know whether
that was right or not?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: you've not
talked with
twelve steppers about what 'higher power' means, how would you know.
BingoBoingo: It depends on
the definition of religion used.
ben_vulpes: you've not done
the
twelve steps, how would you know.
danielpbarron: true gods or not, AA claims
to be a non-religious organization and
this is a lie
☟︎ ben_vulpes: phf:
they hear "higher power" and lose
their shit.
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: have you ever spent much
time with
the
twelve steppers?
phf: that's
the sensible perspective, but i
take it
there's an ideological bad blood.
this is not first
time i've seen christian attack aa.
ben_vulpes: abdicating choice
to someone/something
that is "not you" lies at
the heart of
the
thing.
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: it's a particular reprogramming
that doesn't have much
to do with
the bible.
danielpbarron: or you might find
the
truth >> Proverbs 31:6 Give strong drink
to him who is perishing, And wine
to
those who are bitter of heart.
BingoBoingo: In
the battle between living
to see socialist stomped and drinking as I please... sober relflection demands I do
the former instead of
the later.
BingoBoingo: But, for srs. If I go back
to drinking as I did it's only a matter of
time before my portal vein blows out.
BingoBoingo: s going
to be
that way with you. But cheer up, something like half of us
thought we were atheists or agnostics. Our experience shows
that you need not be disconcerted."
BingoBoingo: There's a difference between searching
to stay out of
the next life and
trying
to get
to not dying in
this one. p44 chapter 4 "We Agnostics" But it isn't so difficult. About half our original fellowship were of exactly
that
type. At first some of us
tried
to avoid
the issue, hoping against hope we were not
true alcoholics. But after a while we had
to face
the fact
that we must find a spiritual basis of life - or else. Perhaps it i
danielpbarron: either you are a liar claiming
to believe in a false god
that you know doesn't really exist, or you actually believe in
the false god. In either case, your "spiritual progress" is not
towards
the
truth but rather a damning lie.
ben_vulpes is enjoying
the bible vs. big book citation spats
☟︎ BingoBoingo: It is written in
the Big Book "Many of us exclaimed, "What an order! I can't go
through with it." Do not be discouraged. No one among us has been able
to maintain anything like perfect adherence
to
these principles. We are not saints.
The point is,
that we are willing
to grow along spiritual lines.
The principles we have set down are guides
to progress. We claim spiritual progress rather
than spiritual perfection." page 60
danielpbarron: but
they are anon for
the exact same reason >>
They keep it anonymous, because
they are evil and
they do not want
themselves and
their evil deeds
to be exposed, as it is written, Everyone practicing evil hates
the light and does not come
to
the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. (John 3:20)
BingoBoingo: Also some people relapse which would be embarassing in
the organization had a bunch of public faces.
☟︎ danielpbarron: >> 12. - And finally, we of Alcoholics Anonymous believe
that
the principle of anonymity has an immense spiritual significance.
BingoBoingo: People sent by
the courts often aren't ready for step 1 and many
times violate
the criteria for membership by not having a desire
to quit drinking as outlined in
tradition 3.
danielpbarron: >>
The influence of
the A.A. society has been massive and widespread. A.A. cooperates with a large variety of groups which includes
the U. S. court system. Judges often order people
to be involved in A.A. as a part of a rehabilitation effort.
BingoBoingo: Bill W's ibogaine
trip in
the hospital seemed
to work enoug
to get
the ball rolling.
mats: can emigrate
to hood and go into battle whenever you feel like it
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Anyways in Chapter 5 of
the Big Book "How It Works"
they mention
the goal is spiritual progress, not spiritual perfection.
BingoBoingo: Maybe at some point a few people can graduate from AA
to A
True Church, but atm I am happy with
the job Brodin
the Allspotter is doing as my higher power. Wheymen.
danielpbarron: nobody can be helped if God hasn't created
them for
the purpose of being helped.
mats: >But I was born
too late
to be a Viking beserker
BingoBoingo: Given
the demographic, I doubt
the 12 steps could help very many alcoholics and addicts if
they were stictly remade in A
True Church (TM)(R)
phf: 9-5, couple of beers
to wind down, friday evening everyone gets shit faced at a bar, year after year.
phf: i agree, for all
the jokes about russian vodka,
this is a country of functioning alcoholics, with no outlet.
BingoBoingo: But I was born
too late
to be a Viking beserker
BingoBoingo: Eh, he's also weighing it against
the alternative.
phf: i know
this guy, a master carpenter, he builds wooden structures at burning man (infrastructural stuff, not "art"). he's been clean for 30 years now, but it's a constant aa-ing for him. "an acoholic can never be free", etc. i guess it's working for him, but it's hell of depressing mindset
☟︎ BingoBoingo: It seems
to work better for some people
than others.
phf: i know a few aa people, seems like it helped
them
to get
their drinking under control
BingoBoingo still in recovery. It is
through
the strategic superiority of #b-a
that I stopped being a drunk ass online in
time
to enjoy
the irony of USGToomim Mark M be a stoned ass online
☟︎ BingoBoingo: It's also not like I can go into
the yard and pluck a
tomatoe for breakfast in
the middle of winter
BingoBoingo: Well, need
the caffeine from instant coffee mixed in
to have
the energy
to make a pot of brewed coffee
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ 'eat recycled food! it's good for
the environment, and ok for you!' (tm) (r) ('judge dredd') << /me does breakfast as powder
phf: so rms always had a flexible living arrangements, but at some points he had a
tenured office at mit, where he would sleep on
the couch.
there are multiple accounts of
that couch being shared by young ladies. perhaps stories are apocryphal and should echo >> jargon.txt
☟︎ mircea_popescu: all bestsellers, show up on regis and what's
the cunt's name,
the whole nine miles.
mircea_popescu: i was half hoping hearn would get
together with
the bitcoin wife and
that impossibly named, horsefaced washington staffer chick and create a hot love
triangle of "How I created Bitcoin successfully, a guide" "Level your DB" etc.
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trick
to get imbecile white ustards
to sit still almost enough so a vague polish of calculus can be
transferred
to
their pudgy skins ?
ben_vulpes: from
the bikeportland followup: "Hagg said he
thinks
the solution
to problems like
that is
to drive
troublemakers away." << even
the motherfucking /bums/ know
that you have
to drive
the worthless fucks off if anyone's
to have a decent party.
mircea_popescu: cheapo if desperate
trick
to get imbecile white ustards
to sit still almost enough so a vague polish of calculus can be
transferred
to
their pudgy skins ?
☟︎