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mp_en_viaje: but in 41, nobody wanted
them
to, because will need
these
to live an' help administer manchuko or w/e.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-05 02:35 asciilifeform:
that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense;
they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice, not
to mention drums, flag and loyalty-parades ... Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a grudging way, have said
to people “I offer you a good
time,” Hitler has said
to
them “I offer you struggle, danger and death,” and as a
a111: Logged on 2019-05-05 20:29 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, it wouldn't be plain guesstimates. ask each member of
the group, "how many sexual encounters did you participate in last year" say, discover
the doods had about 3x as much sex as
the gals. somehow. nohomo.
BingoBoingo: And
the baboons with
the color coded butts
mp_en_viaje: if you
think about it, raccoons go about in ironic blackface or what.
BingoBoingo: Plenty of opportunities
to obsess over animals fucking with
them
BingoBoingo: Well,
they went from a continent with monkeys
to a continent with asciilifeform
BingoBoingo: But yes, black academica after
the NAACP's founding is a fountain of lulz
mp_en_viaje: by which bullshit we're supposed
to not notice
that "the signifying monkey is approximately kermit for retards -- something some dude 'came up with' for ~tv in
the 50s on
the basis of what he remembered of
the little he understood from what
that german professor visiting his community college said.
mp_en_viaje: "The signifying monkey is a character of African-American folklore
that derives from
the
trickster figure of Yoruba mythology, Esu Elegbara."
mp_en_viaje: "According
to Gates,
the practice derived from
the
Trickster archetype found in much African mythology, folklore, and religion: a god, goddess, spirit, man, woman, or anthropomorphic animal who plays
tricks or otherwise disobeys normal rules and societal norms."
mp_en_viaje: onveys, or is intended
to convey." Gates
takes
this idea of signifying and "doubles" it in order
to explain signifyin(g). He states of Black Vernacular, "their complex act of language Signifies upon both formal language use and its conventions, conventions established, at least officially, by middle-class white people."[5] "
mp_en_viaje: "Rudy Ray Moore, known as "Dolemite", is well known for having used
the
term in his comedic performances. While Signifyin(g) is
the
term coined by Henry Louis Gates, Jr.
to represent a black vernacular,
the idea stems from
the
thoughts of Ferdinand De Saussure and
the process of signifying—"the association between words and
the ideas
they indicate."[4] Gates states, "'Signification,' in Standard English, denotes
the meaning
that a
term c
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, it wouldn't be plain guesstimates. ask each member of
the group, "how many sexual encounters did you participate in last year" say, discover
the doods had about 3x as much sex as
the gals. somehow. nohomo.
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: all knowing (as
the cultural process) is in
the end a
trapdoor function of some kind and no more.
mp_en_viaje: well yes, but one of
the very few if not
the only available means
to scientify about knowledge is
to aggregate estimates and compare systematic errors.
diana_coman: eh, people are quite
terrible at estimating anyway and when it's plain guesstimate esp so.
mp_en_viaje: just consider
the lulz of all
time : in any sample sufficiently large, males will implicitly overestimate
the
total amount of copulation going on by about a half-magnitude factor.
the sheer naive simplicity
that's required of one
to
thusly behave...
diana_coman: ah, right;
there it is,
the one
thing indeed.
mp_en_viaje: in all shapes and forms, from suicide
to spending
their day fucking with chiclid fish or collecting stamps ; from going
to war
to editing wikipedia.
diana_coman: for
that matter I'm not even sure what exactly are
they *less* conservative about, anyway
mp_en_viaje: there's some biological and plenty of social basis for
this,
too.
mp_en_viaje: anyways. as an anthropological fact males are significantly more sexually conservative and significantly less sexually informed
than females.
mp_en_viaje: kinda
the basis of human society,
too. dude stops car in gas station, orders a fill. obvious enough he's one of
the people who gets fills at gas stations --
there's
the car,
there he stands asking for gas, in
the manner such is done.
diana_coman: aha; basically having done
the work and spoke
the words, it
takes all of 3 minutes, sure; as always.
diana_coman: the "had what
to point
to and knew what
to ask for" sounds superficially a "point and babble" sort of
thing; doesn't work quite
that well if
that's ALL
there is
to it
mp_en_viaje: what distinguishes lord from orc ? "had what
to point
to and knew what
to ask for".
mp_en_viaje: absent
the
two... why, you can lick
the walls for decades, go on pixel clicking hunts until you break down your mouse.
mp_en_viaje: honestly, i'd propose it's about 0% different from how
things work here. have
the creds and speak
the words, you're in,
takes all of
three and a half minutes.
mp_en_viaje: kinda how
this goes, i'd guesstimate about 2/3 of reproductive age females and 1% or so of reproductive age males know-about-it
mp_en_viaje: anyways, even with civillians... me spent a few hours in
the
tiniest spa known
to mankind. rando couple, "soo.. .are you a
triplet ?" "actually,
they're my slaves" "wut?!?!?" "do you know what bdsm is ?" dude : nope ; chick yup.
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: back in
the old days
they had a male/gay/leather
thing and a lesbo/uni/femintard
thing.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other sad news, belgrade bdsm scene seems
to consist 100% of "escort services"
mp_en_viaje: plenty got
that in
them ; and plenty got other, and better
things. but until you hurt
them well, you never know, nor does it ever show.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo,"These USG
tantrums lacked any self awareness as details of
the plot failed were spilled
to
the extent
that any plausible deniability of
the USG's leadership of
the plot is undeniable." >> "Besides ample unintentional comedy,
the childish lack of self awareness from which
these USG
tantrums stem renders impossible any sort of deniability of USG's "leadership" (or more properly, dreamership) of
the remarkably braindamaged plot."
a111: Logged on 2019-05-04 17:56 mp_en_viaje: heck, half my discussions of such start with "that idiot one, with
the horse face" or equivalent. i've been living for many years with
tons of entries in
the pantsuit namespace not resolving
to anything whatsoever, and
to no detriment.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-04 17:54 mp_en_viaje: Mocky, moreover,
there's no "one
true internet" understood as a collection of equal and idempotent sites. maybe a1 no longer resolving is a feature not a bug for a subset of pressers.
mp_en_viaje: heck, half my discussions of such start with "that idiot one, with
the horse face" or equivalent. i've been living for many years with
tons of entries in
the pantsuit namespace not resolving
to anything whatsoever, and
to no detriment.
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: (gns is gns, a's can be domain names as
they can be dictionary words. i can see
the argument for "global warming" or w/e
tv "celebrity" not resolving
to anything.)
mp_en_viaje: Mocky, moreover,
there's no "one
true internet" understood as a collection of equal and idempotent sites. maybe a1 no longer resolving is a feature not a bug for a subset of pressers.
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: consider education : you could sleep in class instead of paying attention. "but why would i ?" "you fucking wouldn't, obviously. but if someone did -- will you guard
them ?"
a111: Logged on 2019-05-04 14:31 asciilifeform: promises
to be gnarly.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-04 13:38 Mocky: "more
than one mapping change"
a111: Logged on 2019-05-04 05:31 mp_en_viaje: (in particular
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1911102 is at best naive : if you insist
that my key does not sign competing chains [which is not even necessarily a bad idea] i will simply make ~multiple keys~, which will each sign whichver chain i wish
to sign for whatever reason, and which will pass
the "omg civil war" safeguard while achieving exactly no satisfaction of
the bijection contemplated --
they'll still be my keys, one and all.)
Mocky: "more
than one mapping change"
☟︎ Mocky: my point is not
that
this is likely
to happen, but
that it would defeat
the purpose of host name resolution
to release patches in
this way and so it would end up being a linear chain among cooperating folks. But on further consideration I see
that
this is only
true when patches contain more
than mapping change
Mocky: supposing
that a0, a1 etc. are host names and b0 etc are ip addresses, and further suppose
that at
time
t2 a1 becomes unreachable at b2 and reachable at b1 (precipitating
the patch a
t2)
then
there are now no nodes in
the flow going all
the way out
to
t5 and beyond where both a0 and a1 would be reachable if pressed
Mocky: mp, I can make my point using your flow if you allow a slight change
to
the patch at
t1, such
that instead of 'a0 -> b0, a1 -> b2' it does 'a0 -> b9, a1 -> b2'.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-04 05:44 mp_en_viaje: where's
the civil war ? obviously if A wants
to be upsed at F, or R, or for
that matter Q or U it's entirely his right and priviledge
to proceed ; but what ~systematic~ rule for warmaking can you propose on
the basis of
this flow of history ?
Mocky:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-04#1911138 << I did not construe asciilifeform's language of civil war/schism
to suggest
that
the proposal is weak
to systematic attack, merely
that a schism between people could be reflected in
the graph
☝︎ mp_en_viaje: in other sads, apparently yest
trilema header was blank because i used - instead of _ in filename. pshaw.
diana_coman: hotelmoskva has no better internets
than
the public house apparently
diana_coman: well, fornetti and nutella and whatever else, when going cheaper and
then cheaper and so on, how else can it really go
mp_en_viaje: poor serbs.
they really had
the world's best pastries last decade.
diana_coman: heh, fornetti is
the universal name for industrialised replacement of replacement in
the pastry world; I hadn't realised it had spread
that far.
mp_en_viaje: basically
the cheap and inedible "fornetti" crap
took over.
mp_en_viaje: this is a horrible loss
to human culture i guess few are apt
to appreciate. but horrible nevertheless.
mp_en_viaje: sadly belgrade's sour milks and bread specialties culture seems
to have muchly decayed in
the intervening ~decade.
mp_en_viaje: nobody's about
to order anyone
to document all
the water -- and by
this i mean, asciilifeform ain't gonna send himself on such foolish errands, nor you, nor anyone else. let
the water be.
mp_en_viaje: the nightmare was
that i had ordered her
to document all
the water.
mp_en_viaje: to put it in other
terms -- if
this fit in head, it'd be broken.
the ~mechanism~ is supposed
to be fit in head ; not
the data.
mp_en_viaje: (pro
tip : of fucking course you can't, if you could it'd be
therefore cryptographically weak.)
mp_en_viaje: where's
the civil war ? obviously if A wants
to be upsed at F, or R, or for
that matter Q or U it's entirely his right and priviledge
to proceed ; but what ~systematic~ rule for warmaking can you propose on
the basis of
this flow of history ?
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: at
t5, yet another fellow has
the choice of whether
to follow F's chain, or R's chain, or
the A-Q-G-B-N-I chain or so following.
mp_en_viaje: at
t4, another fellow named F looks
to change gns so
that a0 -> b8.
this fellow goes
through all
the keys, loads up all possible
tips (which are
t1#t1,
t2#t1,
t3#t3,
the last one ~in itself ambiguous at
this point in our
tale) and produces : on
the first chain a
t4#t2 ; on
the 2nd chain a
t4#t2 ; on
the
third chain a
t4#t4, and signs all of
these.
mp_en_viaje: suppose yet again
the fellow knows A. in
this case, he has a choice : either he does
the first suppose above, or
the second.
this choice is ~his~.
mp_en_viaje: suppose instead
the fellow only knew K. he'd have pressed
t1#t1, resulting in a gns a0->b0 ; a1 -> b2 ; a2 -> b5 and a manifest #t3.
mp_en_viaje: At
t3, a fellow looks
to add a2 -> b5
to
the gns. suppose
this fellow whose name is R knows only Q.
Thus
therefore he presses
t2#t1, and so gns becomes a1->b1, a2->b5 while manifest becomes #t3.
mp_en_viaje: At
t2,
there is a patch upon
t0#t0,
transforming gns
to a1->b1 ; manifest becomes #t1.
this is signed by A, Q, G, B, N, I.