asciilifeform: hm why is this?

asciilifeform: diana_coman: what's going on is that asciilifeform has buncha boxen with old tooling, and also tends to rely on mircea_popescu to proclaim 'let's nao new format'

asciilifeform: again i had and have 0 objection to the format, or would have said.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'm satisfied that your keccak worx

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'm not averse to regrinding , if diana_coman already switched ( i managed to sleep through this , somehow, but yes looks like you're in the new format )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is how we typically do standardizations, yes ☟︎

asciilifeform: diana_coman: but to answer the orig q -- i have nuffin against the new format; but not switched yet.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: and if there was a moment in the l0gz where mircea_popescu proclaimed 'hey this is out of beta, errybody plox to retire the classical vtrons' -- i missed it? plox to link.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: believe or not, i still havent switched to phf's .

asciilifeform: in the excess mass

asciilifeform: Mocky: wouldnt it be mostly pinoy & indian d00dz tho

asciilifeform: iirc they dun bother with workhouses for defaulters, tho, straight to cement boots

asciilifeform: they have similar thing for mexicans in usa, but 100% unofficial, orcish, under the table

asciilifeform: aa, nobody gets out till they mop the requisite # of floors to pay back their master for shipping'em in , a la dubai, then

asciilifeform: ( they have articles of indenture and such )

asciilifeform: iirc dubai has this system, it is used to keep the indian janitors from jumping ship

asciilifeform: interesting. do they also have a gulag where you work off said dime ?

asciilifeform: sorta the last notch on the dial

asciilifeform: it's a pretty good proxy for 'is this place northkr yet'

asciilifeform: this gotta be on the arabian end, afaik usa not (yet) has sucha thing

asciilifeform: aaa

asciilifeform: Mocky: way back ? i thought yours was a 1way

asciilifeform bbl,food

asciilifeform: ( maybe they were picked for toe-suckling amplitude..? )

asciilifeform: it is difficult imho to picture a d00d with working cock having been involved in the auditions for this harem.

asciilifeform: like osman harem

asciilifeform: or possib this was one of those degenerate harems that morphed into a sort of harvard, i.e. institution that popped its tether to whatever original ground it stood on

asciilifeform: i have nfi how this passed 'qa' for 'harem'. but i suppose 'in the great birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale'

asciilifeform: 'face to push locomotive' or how did the ro folx put this.

asciilifeform: famous shot

asciilifeform: http://www.xubux.com/upload/000/u1/013/4781adf0.jpg << i def saw this, in a b00k, must be

asciilifeform: even notes, 'The harem inmates did not suffer of thinness.'

asciilifeform: ha

asciilifeform: where was this

asciilifeform: nein

asciilifeform: (then prolly will all have mustache)

asciilifeform: for another gen or 2, i'd imagine yes

asciilifeform: in '90s asciilifeform idly dreamed of learning fn and going there. but meanwhile they sank.

asciilifeform: incidentally, speaking of finns, there was a http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-20#570183 . ☝︎

asciilifeform: that 2nd one sounds on-target

asciilifeform: even exists, sorta , in eng, 'pullulation'

asciilifeform: ha , has a pigeon flavour about it

asciilifeform: y'know, specific term for how insects, rodents, scuttle about in-place

asciilifeform: btw how do i say копошиться in ro

asciilifeform: insect movement.

asciilifeform: entirely. this is one of the 9000 ways in which vtronics wins.

asciilifeform: imho this is the Right Thing.

asciilifeform: right

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the heathens make a pretense that 'dun have to, automerge' etc

asciilifeform: ave1 was asking re scenario where 'say i make pdp11.c for yer lib, and you changed the ada trunk, naowat'

asciilifeform: nah, patch, in $thread

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: subj was specifically the cases where regrind.

asciilifeform: ah ~these~ , they dun even use gnumake, they use various heathen horrors, 'modern', 'cmake' etc

asciilifeform: btw one of the items i have in the deep freezers, is a trb with block db ripped out, replaced with (half-finished, sadly) ada mmap thing

asciilifeform: ( trb still has )

asciilifeform: prior to all of this i had gargantuan makefiles, that called out to various shellisms that turned out to flake on e.g. bsd

asciilifeform: iirc most recently diana_coman's

asciilifeform: (without explicitly given name). and the rest.

asciilifeform: automagically finds the c turd, for instance.

asciilifeform: gprbuild is spiffy, incidentally. i dun miss gnumake at all.

asciilifeform: currently i only use it to toggle debugflag vs adult build, and that's prolly the beginning and end of the valid use case imho

asciilifeform: it's exactly 'ifdefism'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right, i dunlikeit

asciilifeform: !#seen kmalkki

asciilifeform: funnily enuff, as recently as '16 we briefly had a finn here, helped me ferret out the amd key thing, but went back into the allconsuming swamp, never heard from again

asciilifeform: sanemoms of ~that~ gen, yes

asciilifeform: ah i misread

asciilifeform: certainly nao is ( currently under conversion to a sort of discount bagdad, as i understand )

asciilifeform: never lasts.

asciilifeform: sorta like early '90s su, for that matter

asciilifeform: for short time, they had a) functional people b) with time on their hands

asciilifeform: i have nfi how, but it all evaporated. and mircea_popescu's hypothesis as as good as any.

asciilifeform: they cranked out cracks for msdos warez, 'demos', all sorts of goodies

asciilifeform: torvalds, supposedly, came from that dead culture.

asciilifeform: and 'ftpsearch' etc

asciilifeform: recall penet ?

asciilifeform: the finns are an interesting hero-to-zero case imho

asciilifeform: the warez dcc was bolt-on

asciilifeform: the protocol itself is a '80s thing tho, and (at least according to folk legend..) at one time was used ~likethis

asciilifeform still has fat binder of these very same

asciilifeform: it's 100% of how asciilifeform used it before encountering mircea_popescu , yes

asciilifeform: ftp, i can see, telnet, but -- why this.

asciilifeform: ftr i never grasped why irc is a tcp item to begin with. it aint as if the messages outweigh the available bucket.

asciilifeform: and this is one of the few i know of

asciilifeform: typically i'm reluctant to open the hood on things that aint broken, tho

asciilifeform: lolyes

asciilifeform: but eventually, even this.

asciilifeform: i'm using an ancient gtk1 thing for irc on this box, and loathe to pry open its rusted hood

asciilifeform: right

asciilifeform: who wants fancy frontends, can write own.

asciilifeform: i.e. 'harem matter'

asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's head, frontends are filed as 'luxury' at any rate

asciilifeform: ( at which point writing new thing begins to look like a win )

asciilifeform: you'd have to doctor it.

asciilifeform: ( e.g. connecting trad irc client to gossiptron )

asciilifeform: imho tcp , if preserved anywhere, oughta live as a lowered-into-pederasty item-only-carried-over-better-protocols or strictly-on-lan, like telnet.

asciilifeform: it also leaks sequence and other tidbits 3rdparty has 0biznis knowing

asciilifeform: ( by inserting a nAck, or simply timing it out, etc )

asciilifeform: tcp imho is fundamentally sad, not the least reason for which is that 'anybody' can break yer pipe

asciilifeform: i cut off the tcpism, cleaned up, turned into 'udp' lib