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a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 22:47 phf: ben_vulpes: oh hey http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-multiple-channels seems to be broken, missing antecedent for http://btcbase.org/hash/95A0046C0AF25E21DBA310217A289D7649DD86CB89709A89931BFE318A41022FFD4BA9DC046E04DAC1B32BC5304239866BF5CA9AD59328B7DA79B1D06437E273
scriba: ssh banner of 109.242.75.252 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-8ubuntu1
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu never thought he had $object in treasure chest and then discovered that not ?
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/UXoWH/?raw=true
Framedragger: "when 4chan / $an_internet sets his mind to something"
a111: Logged on 2017-03-12 02:39 ben_vulpes: unrelolted: https://heatst.com/tech/he-will-not-divide-us-livestream-placed-in-middle-of-nowhere-but-4chan-still-found-way-to-troll-it/
Framedragger: asciilifeform: OT and just grammar nitpicking, but in http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/sage_pill.py line 22, s/Could connect/Could not connect/
davout: mircea_popescu: why 27 ?
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 7*10**9/27**4 = 13171.734962112445
asciilifeform: fake_space_whale: http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic
deedbot: fake_space_whale voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: !!up fake_space_whale
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 14:39 mircea_popescu: you ever go to school ? what usually happens there's a chick there that's really good pre-puberty. then she starts bleeding, and she skips some classes / homeworks / attentionpaying. and then... she can never catch back up again. because interlocking.
Framedragger: agree with mircea_popescu re fuzzing any inputs (primarily transactions)
a111: Logged on 2017-03-12 01:58 ben_vulpes: anyways, having thought about "testing" trb, i am interested to hear what kinds of tests framedragger would write
a111: Logged on 2017-03-12 02:25 ben_vulpes: hey, if genesis is programmable, can generate chains for testing on the fly
a111: Logged on 2017-03-12 03:11 mircea_popescu: nope.
asciilifeform: http://lurkmore.so/images/b/b9/Kim_chen_zavod.jpg << in other lelz
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> signatures don't match, scripts are bad, inputs are bad, outputs are too long, on it goes << yeah, exactly. eventually coverage like this is a must. eventually.
asciilifeform: ^ what mircea_popescu referred to as 'tanks part'
asciilifeform: butno srsly i have nfi what mircea_popescu meant here.
asciilifeform: can i use 'i didn't imagine that's what you mean' in the phrase table, or has mircea_popescu trademarked !
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu does not picture building the house with own hands
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu would not structure phrase, e.g., 'when i aim the rifle and pull trigger i expect to hit the target' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu seems to think that 'expect' means 'unfoundedly expect'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: say what means 'pile up all his materials' plox
asciilifeform: then mircea_popescu's 'serious engineer' includes docker rat
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 18:29 mircea_popescu: which is why all the impudent cuntlets want to be "in a creative career" aka hallucinated non-science. if irresponsible activity bereft of verification, ie, the antithesis of science, then their imposture has some space
mircea_popescu: but yeah, ben_vulpes has point.
mod6: ben_vulpes' is making some super cool v automated tests as well. there is a bit of overlap, but perhaps one day, his will become the defacto-standard tests. mine are a bit brittle to say the least.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1180.9, Best ask: 1181.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 1181.0, 24 hour volume: 27111.34861041, 24 hour low: 1129.0, 24 hour high: 1196.6, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes isn't all teh butthurt delicious though ? "we are very upset that apparently we don't matter ; also we won't mention mp's warning about all this because then it won't burn so much."
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> bashops uber alles << yeah, CI to mean doesn't mean "must use current devop-isms". we could build our own automated toolset. np.
mircea_popescu: in other usg, http://68.media.tumblr.com/f807573edb2b0f7a29f5ff72d97f83c1/tumblr_nhoc41C1Bp1r539hzo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: and in "creative punishment for when she leaves the seat down" : http://68.media.tumblr.com/a3df8a95aba72f77c3dd84453d8e0201/tumblr_nit6o4adp71tgdz6ro1_400.gif
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was attempting a nonretarded trb-fs.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 23:56 mircea_popescu: script needs to be killed / specified.
asciilifeform: ty mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: when didja last measure this mircea_popescu ?
asciilifeform: otherwise, as mircea_popescu said, nodice.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you haven't guessed, i have an incomplete one here (currently calling in my head 'nqb', 'not quite bitcoin') and was trying to adapt it to the very simple task of eating the existing blocks and parsing out the tx.
mircea_popescu: and in other nature loving, http://68.media.tumblr.com/ac1f2179359ad3d19124afec8b5d4f45/tumblr_o0j7n6hFvq1qc2yxpo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the obvious interesting sequel to the q, is what would be the first symptom of a colliding pair of tx having been fired.
phf: ben_vulpes: oh hey http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-multiple-channels seems to be broken, missing antecedent for http://btcbase.org/hash/95A0046C0AF25E21DBA310217A289D7649DD86CB89709A89931BFE318A41022FFD4BA9DC046E04DAC1B32BC5304239866BF5CA9AD59328B7DA79B1D06437E273 ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's what i ended up concluding
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same q can be asked re block hashes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did not say that it is easy to find. but would like to know the consequences of one being found.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all you need is an x, y, x!=y, where sha256(sha256(x))==sha256(sha256(y)), and x is a valid tx
asciilifeform: nobody but mircea_popescu , hence the q
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, didja ever calculate what would happen to trb (or for that matter prb) if one were to produce a colliding txid ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the hilarious bit is that prb munged up the script system beyond recognition, BUT they kept this turd! merely moved it, http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/script/interpreter.cpp?v=0.10.0rc4#0256
asciilifeform: Framedragger, mircea_popescu : i can picture it
scriba: Logged on 2017-03-11: [21:19:12] <ben_vulpes> bashops uber alles
mircea_popescu: meanwhile over at right attitude ranch, http://68.media.tumblr.com/fa9a2501411802f10f1ddcaf88a17b7f/tumblr_o218aqlfjI1sk3xdpo1_500.gif
Framedragger: #trilema is mircea_popescu's constant disappointment, then
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hey, at least she has the gap!
ben_vulpes: in other #stancelife/americana: http://68.media.tumblr.com/73d8d4a3bdd9733278acd4f0e9eeb5a0/tumblr_omnyfwNvCH1s2a69oo1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at isolation research labs, http://68.media.tumblr.com/876aa6dfa81e11e3a842c7fbbf5e4d58/tumblr_o76qlgH3Tt1u5jfqoo5_1280.jpg
trinque: ben_vulpes: recall my lenovo's RF interference lulz?
asciilifeform: and iirc ben_vulpes works mainly on laptops. what ups does he need.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: belt and suspenders, my comp worx 100% deterministically if i were to pull out the ups. disk controller battery.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you don't have a mains failure alarm ?!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: dunno about you, i don't buy or keep around boxes that randomly lose bits.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: none of these liquishits 'work' per sane people definitions of working
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes otherwise it'd be a little lulzy, what, dude stuffs girl in van, rapes her, it's now his through the magic of fuckjuice ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we had wallpaper AND carpets
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i thought?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's actually how it works neh ?
ben_vulpes: kinda surprised to not see a gf lending metaphor from mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: historical unix multiuser machine was purely political construct. like i could let ben_vulpes live in my vacation home, and it's "multi user" now.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: no moar so than the 'illusion' of the multi-directory hdd
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i think he had that one burned in rom
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rerun !
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "modern computing today", http://68.media.tumblr.com/ba3119f7a99000a0d0d0660f0de315a3/tumblr_nr4qqlinuP1uvik0co1_400.gif and then http://68.media.tumblr.com/c7046a6346bca40065837e467e72cdc4/tumblr_nr4qqlinuP1uvik0co2_400.gif
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: fair enough.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 19:34 ben_vulpes: Framedragger: "if you care about your data integrity, our tool is not for you"
asciilifeform: Framedragger: ben_vulpes already wrote a block & tx parser, his is the closest we have right now to a usable one
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you have a bash script that parses tx ?!
asciilifeform: don't wait for me ben_vulpes
asciilifeform: 'Anti-transaction replay in a hardfork'. just for mircea_popescu apparently.
asciilifeform: https://archive.org/stream/HarrisonBergeron/Harrison%20Bergeron_djvu.txt << the 20th c. american take on this.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ^ i thought you might lulz
diana_coman: ahahaha mircea_popescu; it sounds... familiar already
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: you sure you want benchmarks? /me thinks it's a lost cause
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: which means that i don't see how it could work even given mystery-amazing fs performance (...), *space-wise*.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: could be interesting to test for double spends 'manually' (using specially written proggy that walks the blox)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you're talking 'substantial rewrite'.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ^ i think you might lulz.
asciilifeform: sooo mircea_popescu , to revisit upstack , the entire doublespendpreventer mechanism in trb relies on this nonsense , http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles#0855 << is where it marks spent, and http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles#0847 is the doublespendtrap
asciilifeform: so neither my 'bitcoinfs', nor mircea_popescu's let's-abuse-ext, will work, until this garbage is excised
asciilifeform: since ben_vulpes never came back with a #
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: symlink is a file for this purpose
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 13:51 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1625313 << on the basis ~of actual measurements~ your position is indomitable. wtf, HALF A SECOND for ~8~ deep directory structure ?!
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: so in your proposed-to-be-tested scheme, there are two separate eight-deep trees? may i ask, why do blocks need their own tree - after all, it's just an int. do you expect block number to overflow an unsigned 32 bit int? because you *really* don't need 8-deep structure for dispersing 2**32 nodes (again: http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/fsgraph1.png / http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/fsgraph2.png )
a111: Logged on 2017-03-09 17:41 mircea_popescu: Framedragger the most pressing matter to my eyes right now is getting ext2/ext4 benchmarked for our specified purpose.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 13:51 mircea_popescu: contrary to what ANYONE may pretend, ext4 IS NOT A FS!!!! it's a ridiculous toy at best.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: sure, but do you expect to reach **10^24** nodes before trb-i?? (http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/fsgraph2.png)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: to be clear, the way this would work is, there'd still be symlinks at the bottom ends of the dir structure, pointing to blocks (which are stored in a single dir, say)?
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 01:11 mircea_popescu: i can't bring myself to move my piss away from dks, or anyone in his generation's face.