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Azelphur: started to get really annoyed when I had the choice of taking money out of my cold wallet or taking a loan from my parents to make rent over christmas - not cool :/
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the argument against gosplan is that "fuck you".
mircea_popescu: ah, this IS an argument for gosplan. the only one.
mircea_popescu: the problem here is that both ox and chickens are separate from the thing they pull.
asciilifeform: i'm trying to grasp how it isn't an argument for gosplan tho
asciilifeform: same thing, no ?
mircea_popescu: nope. it's the "brain resides in skullbox not spread out throughout cells like mitochondria".
asciilifeform: is it the '1024 chickens' idea ?
Azelphur: mircea_popescu, yea I know, dude is very good at excuses, as I say it has been 3 months, and even if he has sent a bank transfer it's still only for a small percentage of total owed
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 03:32:24; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382094 << you deeply misunderstand what "investor grade" means in this context. the point is that he is RARE. you understand this ? the fundamental property of capital control in any functioning society without exception possible is that it must be concentrated.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382242 << tell a bit about the concentrated thing ☝︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, there was a bank holiday on monday. in the us. some black speechmaker dude
mircea_popescu: Azelphur notsure why you're not using the assbot wot anyway.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 09:03:04; kakobrekla: they sold until it was garbage, now that further decreasement in process size are hardly possible, they hold
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382567 << well, actually, they sold back when they had to take the poisoned dollars of the masses, a few bucks at a time. once they n olonger need that, they don't. who eats garbage if they can help it. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: iirc the dude hated me for some reason.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382551 << ahaha no that's a balloon. dirigible is oval not buttshaped. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: thing ended up in spam, possibly because of the link
assbot: BitBet (S.BBET) December 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ppwpwi )
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://trilema.com/2016/bitbet-sbbet-december-2015-statement/#comment-116281 << anything to this ?
punkman: you were working with him for a while though, right?
Azelphur: was great up until the whole not paying me thing
Azelphur: Indeed it's not, had no money over christmas. His misinformation has cost me money too
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 06:06:51; ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: and i'm going to guess most of this history is on bitcointalk.org
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382541 << yea, actually, the one thing bitcointalk is a source for is miner stuff. they never got any other venue , well noit publicly anyway ☝︎
punkman: yeah that's not very good
Azelphur: whoops, he said he'd pay me an installment of £1000ish on Monday, then said it was a bank holiday and that he would send it out Tuesday, ignored me till yesterday where he claimed he had sent it out, but honestly he has said it's sent so many times and it didn't arrive I don't trust it any more
Azelphur: punkman, yea for me I did the work, he just keeps saying he will pay and continues to delay / make excuses
gribble: RagnarDanneskjol was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 44 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 50 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <RagnarDanneskjol> trinque - i am occasionally using the nick for continued development on punks ver. if anyone here's partial to the name I can pass it over. Wow that xm42
punkman: told me he needed some contract work 3 months ago, but didn't follow through
Azelphur: Was really unsure whether to place that one (badmouthing former employer and all) but figured he'll probably look here for someone to replace me, and other people might not be so financially secure as I am.
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
shinohai pops cork on muscadine wine even though it is 7 a.m.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 05:53:27; mircea_popescu: maybe 1% of the cost of a block, a day ?
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382516 << perhaps i am up too late, but i cannot make heads nor tails of this ☝︎
kakobrekla: basically folks have been used as sort of catalyst for the reaction of them getting 16nm or so and are now no longer needed
kakobrekla: they sold until it was garbage, now that further decreasement in process size are hardly possible, they hold ☟︎
punkman: "KNC are in a similar holding pattern, awaiting production of their 16nm ‘Solar’ chip, with astonishing claims of 0.07 J/Gh,  They no longer sell to the public either."
punkman: "Bitfury recently announced their 28nm, 0.2 J/Gh offering (with some impressive efficiencies claimed) but have declined to inform us when they will be available, either-ways they do not sell to the public anymore. They also alluded to a 16nm chip with efficiencies as low as 0.02 due out later this year."
assbot: Thoughts on the current state of Bitcoin mining | Blockchain Stuff ... ( http://bit.ly/1PKP93J )
punkman: once the next price run up begins, there will be a frantic scrabble to re-power all the mothballed rigs lying around."
punkman: "It has been quite a while since any new hardware became available, it is reasonable to assume that most small miners will have recouped the majority of what they initially outlaid for the hardware, and are now disinclined to continue ‘supporting the network’, whilst incurring unnecessary cost. So: MegaBigPowers ‘land-grab’, to acquire all this idle hashing power seems like a smart move. As, ☟︎
punkman: "pleased to announce our ASIC BuyBack Program"
gribble: Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | None % based on data since last change | 10.264 % based on data for last three days
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 06:06:51; ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: and i'm going to guess most of this history is on bitcointalk.org
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382541 especially the earlier history, yes. possibly a good place to start: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=14118;sa=showPosts;start=6160 ☝︎
mats: for some reason the abrams doesn't have it
ben_vulpes: tis the age of the cmos
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: and i'm going to guess most of this history is on bitcointalk.org ☟︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: man imma have to learn chinese at this rate
mircea_popescu: depends how hard you push the "but why!" pedal.
mircea_popescu: should take about a week.
ben_vulpes: perhaps i'll do that while i install os x on this laptop for the umpteenth time
mircea_popescu: worth your time to research it for your own sharpening, it's all pretty clever.
ben_vulpes: has anyone written this up anywhere?
mircea_popescu: arrived at through a lot of experimental as well as theoretical effort.
mircea_popescu: it's a complex topic but no, they're not fraudulent.
mircea_popescu: there's 3 or 4 principal ways to do it, 2 or 3 of which are very slight variation on the same theme.
ben_vulpes: every time i look into pool payout schemes my eyes glaze over and my fraud alert systems kick in.
ben_vulpes: so what's the lowdown on the various pool payout maths?
mircea_popescu: miners will not only optimize txn to include in blocks per se, but also "whose pool to mine nao at"
mircea_popescu: this is a very neat way to solve an otherwise very thorny economical problem, and it will figure prominently in the future.
mircea_popescu: very simple mechanism to ACTUALLY improve your insurance : make a pool which pays 25.25 btc for the first block it finds each day. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: of the subsidy of a block*
mircea_popescu: maybe 1% of the cost of a block, a day ? ☟︎
gribble: (nethash takes no arguments) -- Shows the current estimate for total network hash rate, in Ghps.
ben_vulpes: did anyone ever run the numbers on what it would naively cost to lease the hashpower required to mint a block a day?
thestringpuller: always imagined some d00d with access to nuclear power building a reactor on some island and using all the power for mining
assbot: List of countries by electricity consumption - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ODTasQ )
mircea_popescu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_consumption << the esteemed republic is #13, after italy and above most of the world.
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: 21co tried to make energy friendly chips, now they are trying to pawn them on users as "compooter"
mircea_popescu: currently we're only burning something to the tune of 30GW
mircea_popescu: ahh this shit's always such lulzyu lull.
ben_vulpes: when you say that it comes to 2MW's worth.
mircea_popescu: "Hypothetically, according to Robert Engelman (Worldwatch institute), in order to prevent collapse, human civilization would have to stop increasing emissions within a decade regardless of the economy or population (2009)."
ben_vulpes: not then.
mircea_popescu: chips irrespective, be they z80s or whatever startrek
mircea_popescu: nope. stable situation is where nethash is half the power generation.
mircea_popescu: 50 TW, something like that.
mircea_popescu: by the time it gets to 50%+1 all these approximations will be a lot less approximative
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the proper measure for nethash actually is PW or somesuch.
polarbeard: yep, but nethash is not exact I think?
mircea_popescu: still, it comes to about 2MW's worth, more or less.
mircea_popescu: well, yes, if one's tolerant with the variance
mircea_popescu: that there's 6 blocks an hour and 24 hours in 24 hours ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what was the calculation you ran to determine the hashpower necessary to nail a block more or less every 24 hours?
ben_vulpes: i'm sure polarbeard can get on that train
mircea_popescu: after all... we have fucking json in there for reasons!
ben_vulpes: yes let's compile libcurl into the reference implementation
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it could always curl deedbot.org for the latest. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: the log history that you're missing is that blockheight is the only non usg-shared time.
ben_vulpes: polarbeard: good idea except that syncing reference implementations to the best of my knowledge don't know the current blockheight
mircea_popescu: it doesn't even dump that, which would be insane but at least it'd be insane.
ben_vulpes: didn't phf do something with timestamps?
mircea_popescu: who did that!
mircea_popescu: ah, and also - fucking timestamps on loglines omfg.
mircea_popescu: or that. anything.
mircea_popescu: and for the love of christ implement either rolling or else a maxsize for files or something. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in any case, then you could start it with -logs=emcb for all 4, or otherwise whatever combo thereof.