asciilifeform: i can do it with shell ( as quoted from trb experiment list earlier ) easily enuff. but there is also the ~reader~ side, who wants to verify continuity.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right, purge, but 1st gotta make new ones, that are known to contain same material
asciilifeform: and can produce a keccak tree from a sha tree, with the exception of the seals, in such a way that i can be assured that i'm signing same material.
asciilifeform: which complete kit oughta be able to follow the continuity of e.g. trb to day1.
asciilifeform: a new operator ( no , i dun think we've seen the last of new sane folx, tho mircea_popescu may disagree ) oughta be in possession of the complete kit when he sets up his vtron.
asciilifeform: i put 9000 hrs into reading trb, i do not have these 9000 to do it exactly same again nao.
asciilifeform: where the machine bakes 'same tree, new hash algo' and errything else is bitwise-same, then i go an' unsheath launch coads, and bake new seals.
asciilifeform: ergo i'd like to make the operation mechanical, to the extent is reasonable.
asciilifeform: phf: no, per hash invocation. but loox like mircea_popescu dun like this method, would rather have the trees reground sooner than later.
asciilifeform: srsly, exactly same logic as in existing vtron, with the exception of 'when hashing, try keccak 1st, then sha, THEN compare equality, if found to be the latter, warn user, and if sha not enabled, eggog'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no new state machine needed
asciilifeform: e.g. i can put out ch12 of ffa on keccak.
asciilifeform: nope, often gets reset when copied via net
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right now asciilifeform , diana_coman , errybody, has buncha vdiff laying around, not only on www but on own disks, and serious problem if gotta stab at it by hand erry time to see which it is.☟︎
asciilifeform: even ok with regrinding the udp piece
asciilifeform: i'm 100% in favour, so long as can use new file extension and not trip over own old patches. ( afaik phf's tool does not marry .vdiff string hardcodedly ? )
asciilifeform: resulting chimera is neither fish nor fowl, has all of the 'self-blessing' cocksureness of a general, and ~none of the technical ability of the old engineer, and somehow asked to fill in for both
asciilifeform: the pathology of current-day shit-engineering is imho twofold -- bureaucrats reacted to quack engineers, with poor upbringing, who 'i dun need no stinkin' spotter' by creating hybrid species , bureau-engineer, who 'i dun need no stinkin' book-larnin', i watched 'intro to rails' film' etc
asciilifeform: for n00bz, sniper has naked eyes + his scope thing, shows a coupla of degrees of far-away place, head-sized; spotter has naked eyes + telescope and isn't holding 8kg of hand cannon, can move around a bit moar
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i also suspect that this is why it requires at least 2 people. sorta how sniper worx 9000x better in pair with spotter.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that the 'blinders' are to some extent an immutable cost of the process, required for the directed thrust at $problem. sorta how knife is only sharp on 1 , at most 2 edges
asciilifeform: i suspect if baking were an affair where ~erry~ yeast cell gotta agree, or nuffin happens , or at the very least a horror in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703881 , would resemble the engineer's toil☝︎
asciilifeform: rright and at one time surgeons spread peripueral fever erry day. but mircea_popescu for some reason does not say 'there never were surgeons, never quite got there'
asciilifeform: aand in less time than costs today to get next model of toyota.
asciilifeform: still seems to me that at one time there were engineers. built such things as 'great eastern' steamer etc.
asciilifeform: it used to be this profession, y'know, like bakers, butchers
asciilifeform: it's the tightest cage short of, idk, a vt100
asciilifeform: i'm almost surprised that even webirc worx on that thing
asciilifeform: but it'd be extra lulzy if mircea_popescu had given nicoleci that one
