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mircea_popescu: excepot from a braindamaged locus of "who could need more than one node level"
mircea_popescu: which is what "functions" as originally hacked into fortran/basic were supposed to do
asciilifeform: i am SICK AND MOTHERFUCKING TIRED of 'your line is 1 char too long fuckyou'
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking program is supposed to be written as a tree not as a fucking scroll
mircea_popescu: which leads me to the following : it's not JUST patches that should be "thematically grouped".
asciilifeform: because turdatron delenda est.
asciilifeform: but really wake me up when it knows how to eat patchballs from www or ftp etc
asciilifeform: l0lz wake up up when i can see the actual src in this thing
mircea_popescu: well really the ast, but whatevs.
mircea_popescu: because what he really wanted was ths svg (not the PDF!!!) of a book
mircea_popescu: by now alf no longer really wants the book
mod6: asciilifeform: what was interesting on these ones is that not only idn't they contain *.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig -- they were: *.vpatch.asc
mod6: thats how i tested and built the stuff yesterday at phf's behest.
mod6: nothing, i did this.
asciilifeform: it won't alter the hash
asciilifeform: mod6: what prevents you from renaming them ?
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2016 22:21:25; mod6: and speaking of which, i'd also like to note that all of the sigs (seals) in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html are misnamed. http://dpaste.com/1KRXSBM.txt
asciilifeform: and turdatron is a turd
phf: asciilifeform: dropped your patch into the graph thingy, http://104.131.72.249/patches/ is doing right thing
asciilifeform: i will no longer use the ml to submit patches.
asciilifeform: it is a patch to mod6's press head.
phf: asciilifeform: so that new version replaces old patch?
asciilifeform: at this point i don't give a FUCK why it failed.
asciilifeform: my patience with turdatron is at an end.
mod6: and next time, let's do this sort of testing before i ship ☟︎
mod6: this will have to be fixed for next time.
mod6: ben_vulpes: ok, yeah, you through something into patches that it didn't die gracefully on: http://dpaste.com/1GJP2X4.txt
asciilifeform: in order to issue the verstring fix
asciilifeform: i need to know what set to make
asciilifeform: mod6: is malleus in the trunk ?
mod6: <+mod6> <+ben_vulpes> "gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file `buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!"? << i've just run this again myselfand logged output here: http://dpaste.com/0P2QXYG.txt I'm not sure how what you saw happened there. :/ << im wondering if this could be related to a GPG version thing or something? because the line of code that is executed here is this:
mod6: so if you see activity in that direction, ask for a test bundle or test code, whatever. good to catch any things like this before I send itout.
mod6: testing really helps at any time, but especially ~before~ we bundle up and release
mod6: ben_vulpes: thanks for testing V. i appreciate that.
mod6: danielpbarron: hey there Sir, wanna update the wiki & test the steps from a newb standpoint when you get a moment? Y^ ☟︎
mod6: trinque: thanks for deedbotting
mod6: take your time.
asciilifeform: just that it touches same files.
asciilifeform: ok gimme 10min or so then.
asciilifeform: 2) applied to shiva branch.
asciilifeform: 1) works with shiva-less main trunk
asciilifeform: it can be one of two kinds:
asciilifeform: but i do not know how to issue the patch
asciilifeform: i fixed the very subtle version number setting bug
mod6: <+trinque> mod6: ah yep, I saw that doing the makefiles << umm.. thats bad. because that means it doens't happen to me, but apparently it happens "in the field" from time to time?
trinque: nice, I taught a girl with that one too, then graduated her to SICP
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 https://7chan.org/pr/src/The_Little_Schemer_4th_2.pdf << a real joy of a b00k, i taught a gurl scheme once from it << hey thanks!
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> ;;later tell mod6 i believe i have a bug for you: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8d9ad794-4b47-407e-9db4-a9a8cb2c70b4/ << lol, what did you do to this poor thing!
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> ;;later tell mod6 stick a random file with .html suffix in the patches dir to reproduce the stale gnupg dir big << this is what I'll test with.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> ;;later tell mod6 i got v.pl into a weird place where it didn't clean up its gnupg tempdir. perhaps consider using an "exit_gracefully" function where you're currently simply "die"-ing. << this basically /shouldn't/ happen. i'll follow your steps here and try to see what went wrong.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> unrelatedly, while we're ripping the rug out from under mod6, is there a good reason to continue with the inconsistent directory structure of `./.seals' and `./patches'? << this was in alf's original POC. i think it can stay. especially because you *can* name the dirs whatever you wish.
trinque: the signed file is actually a signed textfile of the hash of the thing
trinque: mod6: ah yep, I saw that doing the makefiles
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> "gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file `buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!"? << i've just run this again myselfand logged output here: http://dpaste.com/0P2QXYG.txt I'm not sure how what you saw happened there. :/
phf: mircea_popescu: hey trinque jurov phf : would it be possible to take that very nice graph phf showed, turn it into a proper svg and have the nodes clickable ? << like http://104.131.72.249/patches/? (is in no way bulletproof, so i expect it to be down by the time i come back from breakfast) ☟︎
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> yo mod6 what does it mean in perl to do my $var = "string" . \n "otherstring" is the period a linebreak escape in perl, and the variable implicitly a concatenation of the two strings << where do you see this? this is not a thing. that would fail to compile/pass-interpreter-smell-test. ☟︎
mod6: time to answer some questions
asciilifeform: you start out like a child, end up getting through lambda calculus, combinators
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 https://7chan.org/pr/src/The_Little_Schemer_4th_2.pdf << a real joy of a b00k, i taught a gurl scheme once from it
mircea_popescu: which is kinda why both nullities are so fascinated with theoretical socialism and why practical implementations of socialism amount to such resplendent nothing.
mircea_popescu: "oh but what of equality!" "the only thing equal to all its downstream is 0".
mircea_popescu: either she keeps going, in which case she's not in the harem yet, or else gives up, in which case there's the answer.
mircea_popescu: "what did i do to be in ?" "how did it fail ?" "how did i fix it ?" "how did it fail still ?" "how did i fix that ?"
mircea_popescu: well i said the not a. woman who wants to know why she isn't in any particular one ~need only ask herself~.
asciilifeform: but there is not necessarily a reason why she is not in ~the particular~ harem, and it is not the duty of that harem keeper to provide a logical 'reason'
mircea_popescu: woman that wants to know why she's not in the harem needs only ask herself.
mircea_popescu: no such thing.
asciilifeform: there is this notion, probably rooted in very fundamental christian 'inner light' poison, that the excluding group has the burden of explaining to rando derp who asks 'but why not me!?'
mircea_popescu: community doesn't mean "everyone". nor does it mean "people you'd expect". a guy's harem is not composed of all the women that exist, or all the women he ran into. nvertheless, it works just fine.
asciilifeform: la is their way of life and they wonder why nothing can ever get done because all available time and any available resources get wasted in an effort to sort a group. (The Italians are the exact same way, by the way, and from what I hear the Greeks idem.)' << from mircea_popescutron
asciilifeform: 'So, are you whiter than him or darker than him ? If whiter, you go before him, if darker after him. Problem of "who goes first" solved, and inasmuch as it's an irrelevant problem anyway, it doesn't matter how it's solved just as long as it's solved. The Arabs implement this exact solution, which is why I never saw buluceala in their very popular mosques. The Romanians do not implement it, or anything else, and as such bulucea
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, re the community thing.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1359085 << thread ☝︎
asciilifeform: also reminds me of the 'buluceala' article
mircea_popescu: takes me straight to "The #bitcoin-assets aristocracy is not incompetent. Whether in anyone's estimation others not named are just as or even more competent is immaterial : arbitrariety is not the problem, incompetence is."
asciilifeform: possibly works there ?
asciilifeform: ^ the highlighty thing never worked on any browser i could find, ftr
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform original rock in construction is when you encounter stuff that's baseline and can't be dug into. in v-programming, when you've dug your way all the way to the genesis.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets +m on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJywUs )
mircea_popescu: in reference to which : http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/#selection-107.0-107.200
asciilifeform: and what's the 'original rock' ?
asciilifeform: just like today most folks die without touching electron microscope.
asciilifeform: money is a community thing, aha. but recall that in ancient times peasants lived and died for generations without, in many cases, ever touching money
mircea_popescu: but the point does stand, that gold on mars is not gold but just a metal.
mircea_popescu: this is also true.
asciilifeform: right now there are simply insufficient flies, and their proboscis - insufficiently sharp and long, to make this point properly felt.
asciilifeform: if exposed to flies - quite wrong.
mircea_popescu: understand something re that principle of yours : money is fundamentally a community function.
mircea_popescu: anyway. this is a poorly understood point as of yet at all levels - the clergy and the populace.
mircea_popescu: research went into this in the deep, dank cellars of my dirigible. there's a lot of the original rock involved. it may even not be wrong design, horror of horrors.
asciilifeform: which is why i predict that bitcoin is condemned to migrate behind the very tall fortress walls of something like gossipd
asciilifeform: but yes, it fundamentally it violates the principle i stated here as 'nobody gets anything just for showing up, or the flies eat the meat' (see the bastard blocks thread, and the single-packet authentication as elixir against ddos threads)
asciilifeform: miserable design, like carnot engine is miserable, but it is quite unclear that a less-miserable alternative physically is possible
asciilifeform: a backup that is not under my control is not a backup at all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform technically, you don't get to factor back-ups, because the chain itself is its best backup.
asciilifeform: esp. since i gotta keep storing it for so long as i care to have any dealing with bitcoin
mircea_popescu: but this was also discussed variously and from multiple angles.
asciilifeform: and if we calculate the ~long-term~ cost for me of storing 14kB, not only the disk, but the mains current, migrating from disk to disk, parity checks nightly, etc. - this is a pretty penny
mircea_popescu: i know, that's why i put that sort of stuff in. help the thinking hats.
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2016 16:29:32; mircea_popescu: it's fucking ridiculous. the current cost of 14.7kb is something like