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mircea_popescu: that "bizarre schutzstaffel-esque aryan
thing going" is
the VERY DEFINITION of indian
mircea_popescu: to
this fucking day "security" in
the us is "he knew your mother's maiden name so clearly he was you" "what if my mother was a whore ?"
mircea_popescu: to imagine
the indian-us is any different is laughable.
mircea_popescu: and
the most exposed of
the lot (the islamists) show quite clearly how it works.
mircea_popescu: neither side of
the 3-4 sides involved EVEN COMPREHENDS what
that'd be, let alone why
they'd want it.
ascii_butugychag: my suspicion is
that neither side has a block or stream cipher of provable hardness
mircea_popescu: they're guarding
their precious proprietary meat curtains. for what ? FOR A GUY
THAT DESERVES
THEM DAMNIT
mircea_popescu: i recall us discussing old soviet machines re
that also
ascii_butugychag: btw if you read
that article, my hypothesis was
that
the usg ciphers are specially built
to fail in a particular way.
mircea_popescu: i shared it like
three
times
to date when
this
thread came up!
ascii_butugychag: just
that none of
the results, positive or negative, leaked out.
ascii_butugychag: i always found it interesting
that, after all of
the $maxint spent on both sides of
the ocean on symmetric crypto (see maslennikov's b00k, from
the l0gz, say) we have - publicly - no more provably-hard symmetric crypto
than a hundred years ago
mircea_popescu: the quadratic residuity issue makes me
think fermat primes should be somewhere involved in all
this
ascii_butugychag: if
they aren't prime, you're using multiprime rsa and if your smallest prime is small, you get, e.g., pollard-rho'd
mircea_popescu: remidn me, do p and q have
to be primes or relatively prime in bss ?
mircea_popescu: "This is interesting because nowhere do
they address
the central engineering issue --
that a fixed p,q is not secure yet a variable one requires another RNG
to seed
the RNG." << except
the part where a prng IS NOT A RNG
ascii_butugychag: it is interesting,
to me, how
the derpwall of 'don't go
there! dragons!' always has quite
the same appearance, from a mile away
ascii_butugychag: (i must mention, for completeness,
that derpwall could have an opposite purpose, of preventing inquiriy into
the ~weakness~ of b-b-s when used as prng, as it is in many systems incl. iirc, certain versions of winblowz)
ascii_butugychag: we cannot see
the dense matter at
the center, but can see
the derpwalls around
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag incidentally, if you'll excuse
the naive approach : couldn't in principle any p-and-q scheme be made
to have a mutating p-and-q ?
ascii_butugychag: what we are seeing in callas and
the shitoverflow derp is akin
to
the horizon of black hole
ascii_butugychag: i now strongly suspect
that blumblumshub can be proven
to equal rsa in hardness
ascii_butugychag: whole
turd worth reading, but for pro entomologists strictly !
mircea_popescu: ""Many people who haven't
thought it
through have sung its praises over
the years, mostly because
they got seduced by
the sound
theoretic basis. Blum-Blum-Shub has
two of
the
three flaws
that DUAL_EC_DRBG has: it's slow, and you can't prove it secure.
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 21:20:02; *: ascii_field listened (in car)
to an infuriatingly zimmermanish interview with jon callas (former pgp, now 'silent circle' garbage)
ascii_butugychag: 'pushes
the problem down
to your rng' which 'of course' can never work
ascii_butugychag: 'it's slow and
there are boojums and didja know it's slow??...'
mircea_popescu: this is actually a good call for wisdoms. what's
the #b-a symmetric cypher ?
ascii_butugychag: btw how come nobody uses blum-blum-shub, which provably reduces
to quadratic residuosity hardness, as a block cipher ?
mircea_popescu: you know, it's just like you
that you'd ask about
the one hole.
ascii_butugychag: but i wanted
to put
this basic summary here, in case i get flattened by a bus or whatnot
tonight.
ascii_butugychag: but not quite ready
to fire in anger yet,
this is a world-exposed sorta
thing and needs
to be 'measure 777
times, cut once'
ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes wanted some warez, and i realized
that we haven't
the most elementary provisions for warez
ascii_butugychag: on other side is
the same
thing, started for just one session, with same key
ascii_butugychag: this gets fed into a small proggy on your box, which now knows where
to connect, and what
the symmetric cipher key is
ascii_butugychag: you ask for a pgptronic random
turd, a la assbot, it gets enciphered
to your pubkey (if you are in l1)
assbot: Logged on 26-12-2015 05:30:02; phf: (drakma:
http-request (concatenate 'string (cdr (assoc :location (nth-value 2 (drakma:
http-request "
http://dpaste.com/api/v2/" :method :post :parameters `(("content" . ,(concatenate 'string "foo" '(#\Newline) "bar"))))))) ".txt") :force-binary
t)
jurov: i was not aware of
these
tests. and what if some day it will?
mircea_popescu: jurov respectfully an' all
that, but : didn't we
test dpaste and it came out
that it mangled nothing ?
jurov: mircea_popescu: i wait for deedbot
to accept files and *detached signatures*, no dpaste braindamage
phf: but curl works reliably on any of
the posting services. or anyway anything
that can do an
http post without fucking up
the payload
phf: i
think cascadian solution was
to strip #\return on incoming posts?
PeterL: and could
the raw be default?
trinque: could get
the
thing a shorter domain
PeterL: did we decide if wotpaste fixes
the mutilation issue?
mircea_popescu: jurov well it's already here, already
takes dpastes, not so bad no ?
trinque: ascii_butugychag: in
that form
trinque: jurov proposed
that deedbot- start
taking detached sigs
the other day
trinque: meanwhile
trb node at 393k,
today is
the day...
ascii_butugychag: why
this situation can persist for more
than a few seconds, is a question
to be asked of shitoshi
mircea_popescu: trinque i dunno, jurov was saying something about email, but
that seems silly. just allow
the import of files and piss
them out as a json i guess ?
PeterL: why is your node sending me bastard
txen?
ascii_butugychag: picture if somehow
the phlogiston
theory had, by way of sheer accident, resulted in
the building of a sorta-working refrigerator.