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mod6: yah, shinohai
tested
these for me
today. seemed
to work for him.
phf: where does wallet put its
transactions? mempool?
adlai: Carli-: not really, i don't
think
this is
the same kind of procedure as googling
three-ingredient brownies
Carli-: adlai: is
there a guide,
that you recommend for
that?
adlai: Carli-: you build
the
tx on
the online node,
transfer it across
the airgap, sign on offline wallet,
transfer back.
Carli-: adlai: How do you make a
transaction while keeping
the wallet offline?
trinque: mod6: I just built 99996 plus funkenstein's importprivkey patch btw, bout
to give it a go
adlai: Carli-: well, you can keep your wallet(s) on an offline computer, and only send
the addresses around on
the internet - using any program.
mod6: asciilifeform: any objections
to me replacing
those vpatches on
the mirror now, or should I wait for you
to give
them a
try first?
Carli-: adlai: i was just responding
to his post about Armory here, plus i am interested in "offline"
transacations, and Multiple Wallets Simultaneously.
☟︎ Carli-: i saw a blog
that linked
to
this channel, adlai
Carli-: asciilifeform: cool, is
there a guide
that you recommend
to do " pre-generated
tx" ?
adlai: Carli-: out of curiosity, how did you find
this place? people usually have some inkling of its philosophy when
they wander in...
adlai would be reminded of
travelers' checks, if he were old enough
to have ever seen one
trinque: lest I shorten my days on earth
trying fixing abominations like pybitcointools or btcd
adlai: Carli-: again,
the point here is
to simplify bitcoin
to
the minimal required functionality. feature creep, even if
they're useful features, is
to be avoided.
Carli-: asciilifeform: isn't "deterministic" kind of similar
to what OTR, or Axolotl does?
adlai: asciilifeform: would it still be correct
to say
that
there is no intent
that people use
trb as a wallet? or at least, use
the same
trb as a network node and a wallet node?
Carli-: asciilifeform: How do you do Deterministic or Offline Wallets, without weakening
the crypto?
adlai: this is an operational concern.
the bitcoin node software doesn't even need
to know what a private key is!
Carli-: asciilifeform: well,
the point is
to keep your private keys on a Air-gapped computer offline forever
phf: quoted 14s is from my graph
thing, and im using gpgme
adlai: Carli-: primarily you should understand
that
the main goals of bitcoin development (in
this channel, at least) are
to minimize
the amount of moving parts
phf: i
thought gpgme spawns a child process and keeps it around. still pushing all
that data around is expensive..
Carli-: are
there any other problems with bip 32?
Carli-: asciilifeform: yes, i
think one of
the problems: if someone has 2 of your Private keys AND your Master Public Key,
they can find ALL of your private keys. IIRC
adlai is not mathemagician enough
to know how, but
the construction is ~supposed~
to prevent
this
adlai: there are some use cases for it, sure. but
there's a reason
that
they weren't automatically merged in despite being invented by
the same people
Carli-: asciilifeform: is
there something wrong with BIP32?
adlai: Carli-: lol, you should probably read
the bip if you're
that excited about it
adlai: this is
the whole point of bip32 - backups which only need
to be stolen once
Carli-: asciilifeform: i
think it is something like
this, not sure: SHA256(Seed + 1), Sha256 (seed +2) etc...
Carli-: asciilifeform: so you can back up your wallet
to a piece of paper once, only 18 words long is
the "seed"
guruvan: asciilifeform: you have HD in
trb?
guruvan: electrum - but
to operate properly, you'd run your own server & node Carli-
shinohai: I said
this
today in pm with mod6: 17:37 shinohaiPlease no moar qt
Carli-: asciilifeform: which wallet do you use? or are
there any other wallets,
that can do: Deterministic, Offline
transactions, Multiple Wallets ?
Carli-: asciilifeform: And you can run Multiple wallets at
the same
time. Is
there a way
to do
that with bitcoin-qt? I am
trying
to figure
that out
Carli-: asciilifeform: With Armory, your private keys never
touch an onine computer. Also has "Deterministic" wallets.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Because at one point loading
the whole blockchain into RAM was an idea
that didn't give most people pause.
BingoBoingo: Or at least
that was
the point when it loaded
the whole blockchain in RAM
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform:
The point of Armory was making people with
too much RAM and CPU for
their own good feel speshul
Carli-: asciilifeform: Armory has "offline" wallets
that you can spend from. How do you do
that with bitcoin-qt?
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 23:36:26; pete_dushenski: y still can't buy 10% of asciilifeform's
time nor 10% of mod6's. fancy
that :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah eventyally got
to
the rest of
the log.
BingoBoingo: Just enough rope for a person
to shoot
themself in
the foot when
they get surprised
that rope does
that
felipelalli: but yes, it's not
the safest
thing anyway!
felipelalli: mircea_popescu,
thank you mircea
to understand my motivation. Yes, I
tried
to help.
The "magic"
to make
the
thing easy was
to derivate a bitcoin keypair from
the username+password using scrypt. I understand
this can be unsafe if
the user uses a bad password, but like you said, it is just
to let
the lazy people
to
taste
the power of wot.
mircea_popescu: felipelalli
the reason you're getting so much grief is
that it's not clear how your premises work. i mean i get it, you want
to help people, and
teach
them about otc and so on.
this is one
thing. but i mean what did you do, i don't follow, reimplement gpg as a java
thing ?
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: Maybe change
the license on
the software
to: "You do not have license
to use
this code unless you
translate
the Java Bytecode
to Fortran 95"
felipelalli: I'll put a link
to source code and in Github I'll put
the jar in "releases" section. I
think it is better in
this way at least while
the app isn't so mature yet.
felipelalli: BingoBoingo, ahahh yes. But
there is no special code
to WIN32 actually in Java.
The "exe" was just a wrapper. But if
the guy can't execute a jar in Windows he just won't be able
to use WoT anyway.
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: I mean you can leave source for
the old win32 stuff so
the lazy but desperate can still
try building it.
Think of it like putting
the icecream shop at
the mall on
the
top floor so fat people gotta choose icecream or using stairs.
felipelalli: danielpbarron, BingoBoingo etc. you guys convinced me
to remove
the win32shit stuff. I'll remove all files, actually.
felipelalli:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395886 <<
thank you mircea_popescu -
the article I am writing starts with a quote made by your PR
translated
to Portuguese: "Se você não
tem uma conta WoT você não faz parte do ecossistema Bitcoin. Esse é o critério, não importa o que você possa achar. É onde
todos olham, não importa o que alguma rede social
tem dito pra você. Se você não está no WoT você não está no
☝︎ pete_dushenski: off
to pickup new specs. if i'm not back
this evening, i'll be around under 'pete_d_out' over
the coming days. cheers!
pete_dushenski: "Mr. Alverado said
those fake buildings were necessary because getting
to
the first page in Google results now
took ingenuity and cunning. “You have no idea,” he said, sounding a little weary when asked about competition. Israelis were his
toughest rivals, he said, and
they had instilled a kind of awe in him. “I can
tell you point-blank,
they are freaking smart,” he said. “I really admire
them.”"
pete_dushenski: "Many of
the locksmith lead gens are run by Israelis, and Avi learned
their modus operandi by working for
them. When he landed at La Guardia Airport in 2008, he wanted
to work with computers,
the field he had
trained for in Israel. But it was
the height of
the recession, and he did not have many options."
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Derps derping
their way out is bullish for a 2013 replay. All we need now is RealSolid returning with yet another altcoin scam.
pete_dushenski: "Along
the way, we accumulated a mess of legal and corporate complexity
that has made it difficult
to do anything constructive with Armory's intellectual property." <--> "You
think you want
to
take dollar investment, you
think you want
to make a non-Bitcoin company ?
Think again.
Think long,
think hard, and start with
this : what makes you
think a fiat company is even possible anymore ?"