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shinohai: Oh but you aren't booting chanserv :P
mircea_popescu: hm i guess it doesn't reload either ?
adlai: the note about blacklight though is spot on (but don't leave it exposed to UV (ESPECIALLY SUNLIGHT) or chlorinated water) for prolonged periods, or it'll become an inactive compound: https://isomerdesign.com/PiHKAL/explore.php?domain=tk&id=5362
a111: Logged on 2015-08-29 04:24 phf: biggest disappointment of my schools years, turns out that "flea balloon" idea doesn't quite work
adlai: oh, words are also useful for sex. these days if you sex without words first, you don't pass peer review.
adlai: trinque: i don't think of this as mind-body duality at all. a better analogy would be the phase of some matter. if you cool it enough, it seems solid; zoom in and you see it's still moving, but not enough to break out of formation.
adlai: then you have even greyer areas like hypnosis, or those who "believe in belief" but don't actually live by any religious commandment
trinque: for a somalian, I don't know, maybe that's Tuesday
adlai: the definition isn't watertight yet, since it counts somebody who starves due to famine as crazy... but then again, mircea_popescu counts poor somalians as stupid, so ~shrug~
trinque: so we're doing mind body duality, and mind-onanism doesn't count because ???
adlai: i respect alice's belief that her creator is dead, to the same degree that i'd respect somebody's belief in reincarnation, or resurrection, or transubstantiation. words have meaning, beliefs can be false, but you don't have to act on false beliefs. i'd count somebody who's physical actions are in touch with consensus reality as non-crazy, by the "sufficiently in touch with consensus reality to not die by
adlai: feelings don't make you crazy ~because~ they don't matter. actions make you crazy.
adlai: i'm actually saying that they don't.
adlai: to pick a concrete example, if that alice0meta thinks she's a dead person's tulpa, that in and of itself, doesn't make her out of touch with consensus reality, any more than some people believe in http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_life_of_jesus/the_empty_tomb/jn20_01.html
trinque: -or- he doesn't determine crazy; we do.
adlai: i don't think that an ~animal~ which avoids starvation, dehydration, ostracism, and greivous bodily harm, can be counted crazy
ben_vulpes kicks rocks, whistles, looks around, wouldn't know the first thing about being out of touch with consensus reality
adlai wouldn't be surprised if some non-"crazy" people are out of touch with consensus reality, but have learned how to fake it
adlai: the more nuanced answer recognizes that i was hospitalized as a direct result of an argument, which would not have happened if i'd left the house with a sweater that morning. so... don't forget to bring a towel?
trinque: I don't believe the "thereaputic" angle for a moment.
trinque: adlai: would you have been in a ward if you hadn't taken a bunch of drugs?
adlai: obviously i don't deeply believe that drugs can be ordered objectively by any parameter (other than therapeutic index, for ones that have known LD50 in humans), but my personal favorite "good drugs" ordering would have cannabis above nicotine and caffeine, and mescaline above alcohol
phf: asciilifeform: well, i'll have to figure out what's going on anyway, to get it working. i was saying sbcl is poetteringerized in abstract, by lateral telltale signs. i didn't expect this code to not simply work. fwiw, despite freenode disconnects the code ~was~ working
adlai is unfamiliar, digs, finds "When a shlimazl goes dancing, the musicians' strings break"... or maybe asciilifeform meant "girl who can't dance says music sucks"?
ben_vulpes: don't bother installing the os
adlai doesn't presume to understand the full inner workings of deedbot, of course; but that's what seems to have happened with the first -v
adlai: some people refuse private communication (eg mircea_popescu ) but that doesn't mean that shouting on his lawn is for his ears only.
ben_vulpes: "you can't fire me, i quit!"
adlai: honestly though, isn't this more akin to culling a peasant child?
ben_vulpes: 1) do your six months. 2) don't talk trash on your betters.
adlai: covertress: you've evidently passed the "register PGP key and operate it" barrier, but you're failing the "not annoy people" barrier. you're not the first person to do this, and won't be the last. I suggest you NOT take this personally, figure out why you're failing this test, and... better luck next time.
phf: i start it with --dynamic-space-size 2500, it doesn't complain about "can't allocate", but it caps at 1gb. anything over that falls over
adlai: phf: didn't miss it (i read scrollback! or at least, skim...), i thought it was back up
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> just two weekends ago i had to excise some rust-welded nuts that didn't have clearance for a socket wrench. << PB Blaster!
ben_vulpes: just two weekends ago i had to excise some rust-welded nuts that didn't have clearance for a socket wrench.
adlai: files don't actually move!
adlai: "That all happened twenty years ago. In retrospect, thinking of programs as automobiles wasn???t so bad. Automobiles are pretty simple. If their car stops working, people expect any good mechanic to be able to figure out why and fix the problem" << Welcome to the 21st Century, where the computers still don't work but now they're in everything!
asciilifeform: didn't we have a successful gentoo initiation recently ? who was it
asciilifeform: thing prolly can't distinguish between bad-decrypt-because-bad-pw and bad-decrypt-because-author-was-dropped-as-a-child
ben_vulpes: don't hate?
trinque hums don't fear the reaper
mod6: asciilifeform hoards screws, and regrets nothing << im with ya. they don't make shit like they used to.
adlai: trinque: fwiw, $10k invested in something with a sane risk/reward curve can't net more than ~$100/mo for very long.
ben_vulpes: because the soft metal won't drive 3 inches through pine with a phillips any more.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-16: [19:47:07] <mircea_popescu> ACTION just found out that phillips and torx heads respectively aren't mere "let's arbitrarily change standards to try and extract spurious rents via alleged intellectual property" ; but in fact have proper reasons to exist. a) phillips head is self-centering ; which is to say driver does not slip out of screw being driven. this was major
adlai doesn't know anybody who likes their job enough to work more than they need, with the possible exception of his mom - who teaches yoga.
adlai: living off the savings would have more to do with bitcoin if i were less of an idiot, and had bought less at $1k and more at $10; but then i'd be living off the military discharge bonus, and wouldn't have mined to begin with
trinque: isn't for everyone
adlai: mircea_popescu: take which lab? teaching physics doesn't involve ~doing~ lab work, only grading it
mircea_popescu: well... so he... saved the usg some bucks, still didn't do anything. hero of soviets, medal.
adlai: yeah i doubt anybody forced him to sign; i suspect anybody who wasn't sufficiently dangerous for enough decades, eventually gets tired of poor impotence, and starts sucking the cock that slapped them
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't speak for others, but i've never even ~heard~ of any of these folk, nor read their spew, until this year. ☟︎
adlai: because the fractional still hasn't been invented yet
BingoBoingo: <adlai> incidentally, on a slightly related topic: a friend has taken me up on my (foolish, drunken) offer to help teach him programming. i'm tempted to start with a "sheet of paper + mccarthy" approach, since he's yet unspoiled by algol; has anybody tried teaching in this manner? << Don't skip to 12 without working the other steps. Only 13 can be skipped to.
asciilifeform: it won't work on someone you aren't fucking, there will not be the necessary patience.
asciilifeform: other thing, trinque, is that interpreters won't be breaking any speed records.
asciilifeform: trinque: also it isn't a given that tinyscheme is necessarily the best starting point for implementing a civilized scheme
asciilifeform: lel didn't oglaf do a special on this one
mircea_popescu: s thin neck that did that. He was simply not created for this life. It's true that I stomped their dog to a pulp around the floor, but it's really cynical to accuse me of murdering the dog when in the immediate vicinity, it might be said, three human lives had been obliterated. The infant I don't count. Well, all right then, in all this (I can agree with you) it is possible to discern a degree of severity on my part. But to c
mircea_popescu: the most trivial of crimes. And also I did not rape Yelizaveta Antonovna. In the first place, she was no longer a virgin; and secondly I was having dealings with a corpse, so she has no cause for complaint. What about the fact that she just happened to have to give birth? Well, I did pull out the infant. The fact that he was not long for this world anyway, well that's really not my fault. I didn't tear his head off; it was hi
mircea_popescu: still alive then. Whereas Andryusha I killed simply from inertia, and I can't hold myself responsible for that. Why did Andryusha and Yelizaveta Antonovna fall into my hands anyway? They had no business springing out from behind the door. I am being accused of bloodthirstiness; they say I drank blood, but that is not true: I licked up the pools of blood and stains -- it is a man's natural urge to wipe out the traces of even
mircea_popescu: to counterbalance the oestrogen overload, here's some harm : "Without boasting, I can tell you that, when Volodya struck me across the ear and spat in my face, I really got him, so that he won't forget it. It was only after that that I hit him with his primus and it was evening when I hit him with the iron. So he didn't die straight away by any means. This doesn't prove that I cut his leg off as early as the afternoon. He was
mircea_popescu: i dunno, and i can't be arsed to find out. everyone involved sounds exactly like a bunch of whiny fucktards with clitorii.
mircea_popescu: "This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference. Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100."
mircea_popescu didn't click on newman link, because meh, google shit. but now since came up again, decided to check it out. went to archive.is - not there.
adlai: strictly speaking isn't this cmucl's compiler?
asciilifeform: so the thing isn't really automatic, but semi-?
adlai: it doesn't.
adlai: everybody who's paid attention. cue internal-mp: "bipeds who don't pay attention are Not People"
adlai: fwiw, whenever i fantasized about owning a lisp compiler, the imagined object went one step further than sbcl, and didn't depend on a C compiler for the 'kernel', but rather shat ELF objects (or whatever other format) from lisp
adlai thinks out loud: 'crystallising' might be a better metaphor than 'freezing', since the purpose isn't only to reduce code temperature, but also to remove impurities as they emerge
adlai: (the most recent bits aren't pushed yet, but theyr'e not relevant to this bug)
asciilifeform: anyway i won't be debugging folks' seeeekrit codez over whispers and winks.
mircea_popescu: bdb holds the blockchain and the wallet ; rpc doesn't much enter into it
adlai: i never got this when dealing with mpex, but mpex moves slowly enough that parallel queries weren't a concern
adlai: maybe? i get this from too many talk-to-exchange (and once from too many talk-to-freenode, with handrolled irc code that didn't rate limit...)
adlai: the best thing about tintin is that nobody is around to dilute the syrup (and no, the movies don't count)
mircea_popescu: just as long as you make sure that a) usg can't get at your wealth and b) you left a network behind you're liable to find the prison term more pleasant than life at home./
mircea_popescu: anyway. "don't gamble" is solid advice. gamble works in prison exactly like outside - as taxation. unless you're running the joint, gambling is just another way of looking for a boyfriend.
mircea_popescu: not to mention people who don't ain't reading fucking medium.
pete_dushenski: https://medium.com/personal-growth/10-ways-to-adapt-to-prison-7e1956904409#.adpucwiwj << speaking of new realities, what kind of fuckin soi-dissant 'guide to prison' doesn't include 'stab first, ask questions later' ?
pete_dushenski: http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-nsa-has-files-on-a-country-that-doesnt-exist << how dare the nsa have a file on a nonexistent country that isn't tmsr!
asciilifeform: and didn't mircea_popescu tells us about some chick who had one every other month or the like
asciilifeform: trinque: we have the pill. pick a time, t. and all sbcl work after t, is dead to us...
asciilifeform: '2016-08-31 19:52:31 stassats frankly, i don't believe in the web of trust, you can only know who uploaded
mircea_popescu: anyway, more productively : an actually working lisp environment isn't a bad idea ; but premature today imo.
pete_dushenski: 'EVERYTHING MUST GO IN THE DISHWASHER AND THAT MUST BE FINE.' << chez moi i throw everything in the dishwasher, which i then run when full and empty thereafter, while the girl does this 'wash by hand as you go and air dry on the rack' thing for reasons i don't fully comprehend.
mircea_popescu: we didn't really think so, no.
mircea_popescu: phillips doesn't slip ; torx doesn't cam out
pete_dushenski: 'but eventually relented and traded the garburator for a hood over the stove,' << current place... doesn't have range hood. smoky ? smelly ? open the windows and patio doors and get a cross-breeze going
mircea_popescu: that doesn't make it right.
mircea_popescu: ACTION just found out that phillips and torx heads respectively aren't mere "let's arbitrarily change standards to try and extract spurious rents via alleged intellectual property" ; but in fact have proper reasons to exist. a) phillips head is self-centering ; which is to say driver does not slip out of screw being driven. this was major advantage in early automotive work. torx does not cam out ; which was major advantage in
trinque: but doesn't help if there are myriad cases one must use ghost
mod6: you can't fuck 100% of the time. there's some division there. like 70% watch, 30% fuck.
asciilifeform: ain't nothing wrong with being old, other than the obvious minuses
ben_vulpes: oh that's lulzeriffic, the processblock log lines don't get timestamped?
asciilifeform: that you don't have to
asciilifeform: (bulgaria, if it isn't obvious)
mircea_popescu: not to mention that what we thought is the goal can't possibly be the goal! so how about we stop with the shit and do things right.
mircea_popescu: yet somehow this inept cycle of self-effacement does NOT enlighten their stupid heads that yo! what we thought was the problem couldn't have possibly been the problem, seeing how the better we fix it, the worse things get! and then we have to circumvolutedly revert the very fix!