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asciilifeform: (he wrote this before laser was available to su industry at all)
asciilifeform: and altschuller tells us how to 'cheat in wolf form' and make this without any lasering.
mircea_popescu: and THAT can be nickel, or anodized zinc or w/e the fuck you feel like.
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 03:56:29; asciilifeform: this kind of thing would be an expensive but very decent display-shield.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405966 << it's actually the only way i see to make an actual honest display shield. mm thick plate box, micron-range holes drilled in one face. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: welcome to being mp-cool
kakobrekla: no, it is happening all the time but it went way up from the usual noise
asciilifeform: i'd have thought it would have been pestilential from day 1
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: this only started recently ?!
kakobrekla: bots and humans trying to get in the systemz/break in the server/deplete deposit address supply etc etc
adlai has been trying to hook up a captcha solver so he can stop handspamming it
danielpbarron: i pointed out the missing ref= on the alphaGo bet in that geekwire article; let's see if they update it :D
asciilifeform: how's that
kakobrekla: anyway speaking of bitbet, there has been a large amount of rouge behavior on it for the past ~2 weeks
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:28:31; mats: what is this 50-50 odds bs
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406236 << on a "for phun not money" thing ☝︎
BingoBoingo: AH, that
asciilifeform: (for what purpose, is known only to expert psychiatrists, i imagine)
asciilifeform: rather, it was that idiots at a certain point became able to hook up chessatron to game servers and ruin the game.
BingoBoingo: No, fritz and drug testing were.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the kasparov match, contrary to popular notion, is not what 'killed' chess
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 04:51:38; ben_vulpes: before i confirm your work, please tell me how you determined that these were all unused?
polarbeard: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405980 << first they made it into my list because they're never called explicitly, then revised the function and history of each, some we're left from earlier versions, others after removing the gui, etc ☝︎
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> yes, if it were a personal work of brin the younger, i would not be surprised re: no bets. << I'm not entirely sold on Deep Blue II electric boogaloo having been definitive for chess. Kasparov was not Undisputed in his championship at the time. His title was not recognized by FIDE.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i remember, a coupla years ago, when i first saw a live 'mazerati' << In one of the college towns I lived in there was one I'd frequently see as it bounced from parking lot to parking lot, looking more like weathered trash than other cars of similar age.
asciilifeform: adlai: iirc the sake thing originated with a certain drunken former champ
asciilifeform: emulation. programmer kicks the machine.
adlai: human go skill allegedly improves with saki consumption, i wonder whether they emulate this in the program or settle for programmer-mediated emulation
assbot: Why Google's Neural Networks Look Like They're on Acid | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1PA6nn0 )
adlai is talking about https://motherboard.vice.com/read/why-googles-neural-networks-look-like-theyre-on-acid
asciilifeform: is this one of those abominable things that won't move a millimetre unless i push it ??!
adlai: interestingly enough, 'abusing' image recognition ANNs to generate images generates surprisingly similar imagery to that which is found from an analogous process on NNNs
jurov: these wait for gopher over whispernet or what is the #b-a replacement vaporware called
jurov: but i don't use free certs for that.
asciilifeform: yes i know that jurov has wwwtrons, but what is the ssl for.
jurov: not up to pushing my own CA to everyone that uses them
jurov: and then it failed cuz must read /proc/net/tcp ?! ☟︎
jurov: but not. i had to add /etc/letsencrypt, /var/log/letsencrypt writable to it
jurov: soo i'm looking on letsencrypt, which can auth the domain by adding stuff to webroot. so, no need for it to be ran under root you'd say
asciilifeform: nn works until it 'doesn't want to', at which point - doesn't. ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 17:20:06; ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
asciilifeform: thing about nn is that this is fundamentally not a thing:
adlai would not be surprised if there isn't [yet] a way to translate alphago's "learning" to human go terms ☟︎
adlai: explain on what level? "the ANN weighings blabla" is not the same as "play away from thickness"
mats: i'd bet 2.5btc all of two people can explain what 'alphago' actually did when evaluating decisions during the fan hui match
adlai reckons bet weights that taper sharply (like this one) to be better at sounding out 'insiders'?
mats: ph33r the machine
adlai: mats: friend who introduced me to go claims "tournament champions should already have experience not in shitting themselves under pressure"
mats: what is this 50-50 odds bs ☟︎
mats: fan hui shit himself during the match and i think folks are overrating the ai strength
mats: plenty of time left, and 'geekwire' has given bitbet some exposure
asciilifeform: yes, if it were a personal work of brin the younger, i would not be surprised re: no bets.
asciilifeform: mats: as i understand, 'alphago' is a corporate operation, with many folks involved, all over the pay scale. ☟︎
mats: asciilifeform: operator drinks from google hose, doesn't need to redeem cola cans for nickels
asciilifeform: mats: i can't help but wonder, if author of 'alphago' is confident that the machine can win, why not pick up some easy coin betting ?
asciilifeform: (did this ever actually work...?) ☟︎
asciilifeform: impress the chixx with how much you can put on credit card.
asciilifeform: and 'softwarized' ignition that can fail because overwrites own firmware (yes i saw this)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: rolls royce looks like chrysler, mercedes looks like kia, and on and on and on. this is why my 'toy' would be 'morgan 3-wheeler' but afaik they're not importable to canada atm.
assbot: BitBet (S.BBET) November 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tjj2xm )
asciilifeform: i always imagined it as a big 1950s race car thing
adlai: mats: more "money left on the table"!
pete_dushenski: that's the other tragic angle of the lack of quality, as it happens, everything fucking ~looks~ the same.
asciilifeform: and i like this.
asciilifeform: i go every day to the meat farm. and nobody there even knows which car i go in.
asciilifeform: and, while plenty of people see the car, it looks like every other car. and i like this.
pete_dushenski: unless 'lord of the brooms' cares to defend a position to the contrary
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: maybe more like fridge in that others actually notice the brand, finishes, etc
mats: alphago bitbet prop, that is.
pete_dushenski: and in case anyone is curious about how 'cheap' and old merc is... it's not. i paid more in maintenance and repairs in the first year of ownership than i laid out in initial capital.
asciilifeform: for me, auto is just another expense. and a tool for doing a tedious and unpleasant chore. like broom.
pete_dushenski: entirely this.
asciilifeform: it suggests that erdos was right, most people 'have no theorems to prove', the idiot social stotting game ~is~ the point of living, to them. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: why do you think i, who can afford whatever i please, bought 'cheap' 'rusty' 26yo car ?
asciilifeform: and i find this interesting
pete_dushenski: as to the organic food angle, the car market is actually quite a different beast, mostly because there is no 'quality' to be had for love or money. a new mercedes will break just as readily as a new kia, just more expensively.
pete_dushenski: p their friends for brunch on sunday morning while talking at length about what option boxes (of the 4 available) they ticked or didn't, and why or why not. this 'aspie' set has no goals beyond the moment's likes and hearts, not unlike the set that tlp mischaracterised as patek philippe owners.
pete_dushenski: ue credit card balance, proudly watch as both kids graduate as professionals, maybe optometrists or accountants. as these kids have never had to save for anything, nor even been encumbered by uncertainty, they proceed to 'show off' their entirely disposable incomes with the purchase of nice watches and leased bmws, audis, mercedes, or porsche crossovers and to 'post' 'their' 'success' on social medias and pick u
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: aha k, so let's see here. 25 years ago a young couple leaves china, lebanon, russia, or the like and moves to us/canada. they proceed to find gainful employment buying or selling something or other and set about raising two children. the immigrant couple, after working diligently to put their children through university, ensuring that their kids never know physical hardship nor so much as an overd
asciilifeform: !s tadpole
asciilifeform: or, perhaps overworked subject in my writings, the computer market: there is $wintelcrud laptop, there is crapple, but there is no (longer) tadpole computer corp.
asciilifeform: e.g., i can go and buy 'mercedes' but what if i want to ~only~ pay for quality and ~not at all~ for stotting ?
asciilifeform: i see same phenomenon in the auto market
asciilifeform: specifically how there is no place in usa where one can 'i will pay double for non-monsanto but i don't give a fuck about 'gmo' and i sure as fuck don't want to see homeopathic crud in the shop' ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: do you remember the thread re: 'organic food' ?
pete_dushenski: mats look for the 5btc bet
asciilifeform: mats: this is not appearent from the logz?
pete_dushenski: yer is different breed…just wait for the Insta posts of a millennial couple with #porsche #madeit #lifegoals #adulting"
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 13:18:49; mircea_popescu: notrly. mercedes is sold by poor beta muslim boys telling each other THEY WOULD buy one
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406042 << as with all new german cars, yes. this comment on baruth's blog recently sharply sums up this arriviste betaboi phenomenon : "If you’re distraught about the Macan demo now, wait until the 4cyl comes out with a $499 lease special and a whole new segment of buyers. I can tell you from experience (I sell Audis as well) that the ‘aspirational’ luxury bu ☝︎
asciilifeform: and yes, when mircea_popescu wakes up he will remind me that it is the only real money. and he will be right, just like, to hruschev, Pu was the only real money
asciilifeform: closest analogy i can think of.
asciilifeform: nowhere near enough for fission, but you can still do various interesting things like thermal generator, etc.
asciilifeform: i use it as a sort of scientific toy. picture, if you will, if you came to own a few grams of Pu
pete_dushenski: neither can shares of tsla, goog, aapl, gs, etc.
asciilifeform: (it can't pay my rent, or tax, or ..., etc)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: perhaps i ought to explain that i don't really treat bitcoin as money
pete_dushenski: though i eaaagerly await the results of the alphago bet now that 'most of alf's net worth' is on the line. that's sitg, folks.
asciilifeform: and here i was, imagining that it runs on custom pdp11 tandematron
pete_dushenski: that's the one