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phf: (in other apple is dead not so news, i logged into a developer account in hopes of grabbing xcode dmg's direct instead of going through apple store, and oh boy. what used to be a rather spartan list of downloads, docs, resources has turned into "Click your iPhone app into Apple Store! Anyone can do it!" complete with giant banners of hip womens holding iphones. where's the docs? where's all the shit? literally the only thing you can do
mircea_popescu: and nobody i ever met retires to palo alto. have you EVEN SEEN the place ?
mircea_popescu: your theory doesn't stand.
asciilifeform: saudis had the west, within certain limits, by the balls since '70s
mircea_popescu: does this sound like much of a hostage to you ?
assbot: British Court Clears Saudi Millionaire Who Claims He Tripped & Fell On Teen Accusing Him Of Rape : News : Yibada ... ( http://bit.ly/1PQJycM )
asciilifeform: no longer plan their whole lives with an eye towards retiring in palo alto ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is telling me that orc chieftains no longer send their children as hostages to the humans ?
mircea_popescu: " is that usg has the politburo in both cases by the balls, they all have swiss accounts 'which could have problems' if they don't play ball." << if we were discussing a tissue sample, this would directly map to "god's life force prevails"
mircea_popescu: and there's sure as heck no "life power" behind it all, which amusingly is your go-to answer whenever complexity overwhelms.
asciilifeform: actually i have a very clear model of how orcs relate to humans
asciilifeform: but how's this play in
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's just... you have no ready model for this particular thing, in your head. it's showing. tissue decays and reacts to its decay in particular manners, which are pointedly not arbitrary.
asciilifeform: the answer, as far as i can see, is that usg has the politburo in both cases by the balls, they all have swiss accounts 'which could have problems' if they don't play ball.
mircea_popescu: for me, it was way the fuck cheaper than to pay the woman for her work. for her, it was an excellent alibi.
mircea_popescu: let me give you an example : when i was 16, i was paying rent for a place i practically never used, to a married mother of two. who took it in all the holes like a champ, twice a week.
asciilifeform: copyrasty is pretty simple to understand. all of the money flows into usa. tribute.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform international trade is particularly complex and famously confusing.
mircea_popescu: that's what's propping the whole charade, and well...
mircea_popescu: no, it's the tendency of people to abuse the usd as a temporary replacement for btc, until btc was devised.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would propose this is not so, nobody actually PAYS the us for ip. merely subsidiaries repatriate capital under that guise.
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 15:17:11; mircea_popescu: PeterL> The rest of the world starts ignoring the US, the US pretends they still control everything << incidentally, the soviets had a very similar delusion going, see komintern etc. it worked about as much as the us thing does, which is to say not at all unless you're either very enamoured with the delusion or otherwise see a ready way to profit from castigating it.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408258 << on the other hand, the only reason usa has any spending money at all is the international copyrasty treaty system. if it falls apart, game over. instantly. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: now, your earlier point notwithstanding, bahamas is still an ineptitude record-setting president, on the level of j. davis. tis not ~by~ the adversity he encounters that you know a man, but IN.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform teh point is made.
mircea_popescu: sounds good phf. ftr i dun think there was anything wrong with your thing per se. broke an assumption i made that i still don't well understanbd, so... it counts as a positive.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: then ru likewise. and with similar caveats.
phf: (so to wrap up previous thread, patches will remain, until clicking any patch in that graph produces a press, ideally clicking on one of the patches from mod6 release should produce press identical to mod6's press even in the presence of conflicting patches. i'll solve this problem sometime this week)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's try an easier case, e.g., japan
Reydevkiwi: just saw a doc on all the backdoors in apple phone os, then this ☟︎
mircea_popescu: care to argue it for me ?
asciilifeform: saw this in the fishwrap this morning and ignored.
asciilifeform: but because the most terrifying thing, to the rotten west, is a viable alternate civ.
mircea_popescu: better aligned than the us, tis true, but still a minor player.
mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/NXOlk << check out that qntra! ☟︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 14:59:11; mircea_popescu: no but don't you think it's kind-of funny nobody goes "hey, bahamas-the-laureate said embargo will totally hurt russia - it decimated our allies instead. maybe bahamas is just fucking stupid ?"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408239 << ru getting up off its knees and spitting out the 1990s cock it swallowed during eltsin, would have happened anyway. simply happened to land on obamitler's desk ☝︎
asciilifeform: this is not only deliberate but is implicit in the very idea.
asciilifeform: the only thing v does without cranking is to accurately represent longest-chain-signed-by-these-here-folks
phf: mircea_popescu: there's another patch there that's named differently that does same thing
mircea_popescu: i've been thinking about this ever since then
mircea_popescu: i had, because i expected the thing to work in terms of straight url substitution.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, for instance, appears to have mistook it for the current ver
asciilifeform: phf: i see the rationale, but you keeping these on www right alongside the working versions, is quite certain to confuse folks.
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 02:44:08; phf: (my press is still broken though, because i want to have all the patches that were ever produced in there, even the conflicting ones, and simply throwing them into a pile seems to not work. i'll figure it out sometime this week)
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 13:21:37; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408036 << this is the old, broken version, why is it here ?
PeterL: well, the other stuff. lard was joke
mircea_popescu: who the fuck buys lard.
PeterL: seems to me there is lots of resources here that other people may want to control?
mircea_popescu: PeterL hey, sounds exactly like argentina! tough market.
mircea_popescu: and yes, i am aware that you're thinking you're decent people, and your friends idem, and you'll toil and labour and this can't all be to waste. the thing you're not aware of is that i have friends like that in say togo. ever heard of togo ? and had friends like that in lebanon years ago, and so on.
PeterL: lots of farm land, mineral resources, space in which to operate factories
mircea_popescu: what else that anyone could conceivably want is found in the 50 states ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but, fortunately for it, the us has nothing to offer. it'd be an active safari grounds for live slaves, if the women weren't generally ugly and universally fat. it is being raided to shit by indian/chinese people for whatever shreds of prestige it may have left, tho from what i hear us diplomas are becoming 2nd rate in beijing these days. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: (and no, the notion that the usg has any say in this is preposterous - if the mexican narcos decided to take over, they would take over, and no us president would even deign to EVEN NOTICE that "hey, at some point in the recent past the border was on the river".)
mircea_popescu: because it is in fact cheaper to do this than undertake the expense to administer it.
mircea_popescu: note that the few people who actually do atm derive value from it, the mexican narcos, do not bother to replace the federal government, just route around it.
mircea_popescu: which is what i expect to see.
mircea_popescu: PeterL attacks are driven by value. if/when someone finds a way to explot it, it will be. so far, it's made relatively safe by its sheer uselessness. which measns that like africa, it will HAVE TO stay dumb to survive.
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder to see it at work, too : consider the case of ross ulbricht. amply retarded kid, did pretty much every stupid thing in the book. yet because he was indicted by the us-komintern, he still has A LOT molre support than would be warranted on the face of things.
PeterL: I guess my question is: will other countries actively attack the US?
mircea_popescu: most of what the komintern practically did was allow a ready way for people outside of russia to get rid of their inconvenient opponents.
mircea_popescu: PeterL> The rest of the world starts ignoring the US, the US pretends they still control everything << incidentally, the soviets had a very similar delusion going, see komintern etc. it worked about as much as the us thing does, which is to say not at all unless you're either very enamoured with the delusion or otherwise see a ready way to profit from castigating it. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and to think that if only they had the fucking common sense to allow turkey in (like mp said, back in the day, but hey, why listen to mp when you got politicians et all) would have not only prevented this, but made the whole effort productive instread of merely defensive.
mircea_popescu: french farmers that depend on eu money, which is to say french farmers, may not be so amused.
mircea_popescu: davout laugh all you want, but you know zee germans are counting those bn against their eu contributions yes ?
mircea_popescu: last i heard germany only wanted 5k a head, so it should come out to maybe 50bn or so, not the end of the world
mircea_popescu: obviously, europe enjoys getting fucked, after so many years of not getting any. but still... money is money. sending washington the bill for the 10mn arabs ?
mircea_popescu: retarded euros on the other hand... "us posturing precipitated an immigration influx that we reallty can't support. wat do ?" "i dunno, but try to not notice that the us-provided security costs a degree or two of magnitude more than the worst possible case would be without them around"
PeterL: The rest of the world starts ignoring the US, the US pretends they still control everything
mircea_popescu: "obviously, pretend like nobody could have predicted" "a totally, solid plan mate!"
mircea_popescu: and even the retarded canadians... "us posturing precipitated a trade war that just ENDED canada as an industrial nation. wat do ?"
mircea_popescu: PeterL you mean other than pretty much every one there ? from argentina to saudi arabia, take your pick ?
mircea_popescu: im sure it's ever so glorious being black and having these idiots for "supporters". with such help you really don't need any enemies.
mircea_popescu: so far, positive action produced pretty much the least competent us president to date, a few notches below even jefferson davies (and actually very similar in style, too!) who just happens to be a black man.
PeterL: Who is going to be the first country that openly spurns the US?
mircea_popescu: no but don't you think it's kind-of funny nobody goes "hey, bahamas-the-laureate said embargo will totally hurt russia - it decimated our allies instead. maybe bahamas is just fucking stupid ?" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: yet the canadians aren't swarming across the border to fucking burn down the dangerous rogue state next door.
mircea_popescu: shinohai moslty manufactured by the us "embargo on russia". which so totally hurt putin o noes.
mircea_popescu: yeah, england's not really on the map, unless you wish to join the arab footsoldiers and rape fat ugly chicks for the next decade.
mircea_popescu: (for the record, most autistic children misrepresent themselves as smart, and actual smart children as some sort of chtonic horror/chtulhu)
mircea_popescu: if your kid is not smart, but merely autistic, then some hope may exist - but probably in china
PeterL: I could go back to my ancestral homeland, but I hear England sucks more than US now
mircea_popescu: this is a complicated question. if your kid is smart, such that all he needs to make money is for bitcoin to exist, then most of the world fits the bill, because all he really needs is weak local government.
PeterL: and it is different in other parts of the world?
mircea_popescu: and yes, this was EXACTLY the situation throughout the 2nd half of the 20th century in russia & friends.
mircea_popescu: even if he WANTED to, your kid will not be able to support you ; chiefly because he can not have nor can he acquire any money or property.
mircea_popescu: now replace "i materialize out of the ethers and offer well trained young slave" with "any discretionary expense" and you've got a pretty accurate picture.
mircea_popescu: consider this simple point : so i materialize out of the ethers and offer well trained young slave to us kid, for $sum. how can he pay ? he can't. he has no money, the usual way he pays for things (begs daddy-government's agent, called "bank" for absolutely no reason much like fast-food is unrelated to food, being a species of engine oil) does not work for this purpose. what's left ? we just discussed how he can not do
PeterL: I have decided to stay here, so I will just have to deal with that decision
mircea_popescu: yes. by moving out of the us.
PeterL: one has to prepare for the future somehow
PeterL: what, you expect government to be able to support your retirement?
mircea_popescu: you can't seriously contemplate this applies in the us ?
PeterL: isn't that why you have children, so they can support you when you are old?
davout: "not what consumers have come to expect." <<< child pays for parent may one day be a thing
mircea_popescu: now this is true.
mircea_popescu: not what consumers have come to expect.
jurov: heh that won't really work (our fees are $x, add to that $random on the murican side)
jurov: davout try formulating the question for lulz "us clients complained about fees, what do you recommend to them"