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mircea_popescu: to me it was "take apple out of the apple product".
asciilifeform: am i mistaken re: what the discussion even was ?
mircea_popescu: "saudi woman can drive a car - by driving a model car in the garage!!1"
mircea_popescu: that is unrelated to our discussion, why do you keep reintroducing it "?
asciilifeform: by running one of the heavily obfuscated auto-jailbreakatrons.
asciilifeform: thing is, you ~can~ break it, this is done by 1,000,001 folks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there. "you can't get in".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if "samsung sells not only to crapple", thus therefore the normal chip can be had.
asciilifeform: where there
mircea_popescu: so in other words, the results of this discussion are - that apple isn't there yet, but it'd love to pretend like it is, and lazy general usian population / anti-entrepreneurial spirited usian elite will concede the point ot them.
asciilifeform: everything else is custom at least in the metallization layer sense
asciilifeform: but the only 'normal chip' in there is the nand. and possibly the gyro.
asciilifeform: but when whole thing becomes 1 asic - no need for bga.
asciilifeform: aha, only done because economics-of-scale, as in, samsung sells not only to crapple
mircea_popescu: packaging even as bga is spurious in the constraints
asciilifeform: and the chips - be purchased die-only
asciilifeform: i expect that at some point it will be fused with the lcd glass
asciilifeform: now it is this matchbox thing
asciilifeform: the mainboard used to actually occupy the footprint of the phone
asciilifeform: it ~is~ a consideration, in each new release they merge a few of the ic into one.
mircea_popescu: funny how space is not a consideration there lol.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they quit making carrier-specific version, so yes, it has ~every~ modem.
mircea_popescu: "Apple A8 APL1011 SoC + SK Hynix RAM as denoted by the markings H9CKNNN8KTMRWR-NTH (we presume it is 1 GB LPDDR3 RAM, the same as in the iPhone 6 Plus) ; Qualcomm MDM9625M LTE Modem ; Skyworks 77802-23 Low Band LTE PAD ; Avago A8020 High Band PAD ; Avago A8010 Ultra High Band PA + FBARs ; Skyworks 77803-20 Mid Band LTE PAD ; InvenSense MP67B 6-axis Gyroscope and Accelerometer Combo"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Who was Jobs to curate my Apple/Crapple filter?
asciilifeform: surely you knew this.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'newton' has been dead and buried since the re-enthronement of steve jobs
PeterL: according to Forbes, roughtly 2% of ios are jailbroken (data vintage Feb 2013)
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 15:57:31; Reydevkiwi: just saw a doc on all the backdoors in apple phone os, then this
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408314 << Newton, the actual apple pocketable or heretic iThing ☝︎
phf: also ftr i've never had a paid license. even without it developer.apple.com used to have all kinds of goodies. source code for all their opensource parts, legacy software, old version of xcode, various specialist tools for debugging, etc.
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 15:55:21; mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/NXOlk << check out that qntra!
asciilifeform: to 'jailbreak', you normally have to discover one of the handful of bugs planted for usg use.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell hdbuck You got published again!
asciilifeform: also starting with, iirc, ipnohe 5, the cpu is custom crapple asic (licensed arm) and has the various 'seek00rity' crud in mask rom.
mircea_popescu: they'd have to be tho. space.
asciilifeform: uneconomic to actually do anything at all with these.
asciilifeform: also note that they are all bga
mircea_popescu: this thing looks basically like laptop ++
asciilifeform: the teardown www has chip ids, links.
asciilifeform: (there is also a nand flash on there, some power supply crud, and the baseband)
mircea_popescu: is iphone 6 the current ?
asciilifeform: https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/F5NPpFSfDkF5NfPW.huge << the fat one
mircea_popescu: next time babe goes into the bath with her phone in hand, ima look into the damned thing i guess.
assbot: iPhone 6 Teardown - iFixit ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ql5LFr )
asciilifeform: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+6+Teardown/29213 << or this
trinque: at least in android's case there's something of a linux down there you can get to without back-alley surgery
mircea_popescu: i guess ima have to.
asciilifeform: you will find a SINGLE ic, and a good chunk of the crapolade is in mask rom.
asciilifeform: more instructive than 1,001 lines from me explaining.
mircea_popescu: make it be the lousy pentium-2 it was born to be ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what do you mean 'take the crap out'
mircea_popescu: what is this "update"
mircea_popescu: jurov seems like a great incentive to take the crap out altogether.
jurov: have you caught the recent update problems? get non-original part, get bricked on next update
phf: there was a project for os replacements back in 3g days, back when you could still conceivably load your own blob as an os, and expect it to do ~something~
mircea_popescu: speaking of nintendo, i recall a thriving mod chip industree just about the time the bulgarians were taking over cd pressing.
jurov: hahahahaha apple specialists are trained to either replace device or exchange for coupons to newe shinier one
asciilifeform: (apple only sells unlocked phones, for some time now)
mircea_popescu: well, fwiw i find the conversation very instructive.
asciilifeform: with metastasis throughout
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is not a 'normal item'
mircea_popescu: jurov it's traditionally hoiw rthis insanity is defeated, dunno
PeterL: and you think average joe is going to replace a chip on his expensive phone?
jurov: hahahahaha if the damned things could be even sanely opened
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i admittedly have no clue, but i'd have expected the golden route is to simply replace the blessed chip of blessings with normal item.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gotta find exploit in the firmware (typically, the bootloader, if you want the 'rooting' to persist across power cycles)
jurov: and there's qntra. phf, say, if you write the why and how of V, you'll surely recoup the $99 several times.
asciilifeform: which tends to take a while.
mircea_popescu: iirc the whole thing was os.\
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unless you want to discover your own pwnhole
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform explain this have to ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'rooting' ipnohe is complicated. not in the sense of 'how to do it', it is braindamagedly easy. BUT you have to run a multi-MB closed turd. which installs ???????.
mircea_popescu: i shall now be quiet while alf, who has never set foot in california, proceeds to explain to people who live there how the place is. ☟︎
PeterL: my grandparents lived in Palo Alto for a while, that is where my dad went to high school (back in the 60's)
asciilifeform: mats: sucks for plebe. but have you tried having $1B there ?
jurov: even i could not be arsed to mess with moms ipad
mircea_popescu: why the fuck ?!
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 15:26:10; mircea_popescu: what else that anyone could conceivably want is found in the 50 states ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408268 << same thing as in su - anything from intact copper pipes, to the five specialists who still know how to make neutron tubes for fissile initiators ☝︎
mats: heh... overheard in palo alto bar shortly after new years: 'so i'm trying to choose between Harvard Law, Stanford Law, and Palantir... what do you think i should do? ;)'
mircea_popescu: because it occurs to me - if you really care about alf-considerations re kbd rf, use an ipad.
mircea_popescu: is this factual btw ? are there more people with unrooted apple-things than rooted ?
mircea_popescu: PeterL in other news, eulora sold more game time and made more revenue per game time than pretty much everything in that walled garden. but then again...
mircea_popescu: jurov /me thinks that you don't have to pay anything to try.
PeterL: if you expect to get rich off $1 sales, you need the garden market, not the few individuals outside it
jurov: mircea_popescu thinks that extracting coins from the wot is easy?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i get that part, but i meant you as in phf not you as in look what i found on reddit, even has tits.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah it finally nudged my coin so to speak.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you develop for anything but rooted appleware unless apple was paying your salary+benefits is unclear to me.
asciilifeform: when i say 'nintendo' this is what it means.
PeterL: trying to get stuff into walled garden, has to go past gate guards
asciilifeform: on ipnohe, the loader only loads signed bins. and the crapplestore only hosts same. i thought this was well known.
mircea_popescu: oh oh this is about putting stuff in the apple store thing is it.
asciilifeform: who, you know - sign the binary
mircea_popescu: by the who ?
mircea_popescu: back when there was still hope.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: crapple follows the nintendo model, your thing won't even be considered by the censors unless you hold an account
mircea_popescu: phf why the everloving fuck would you pay a license to develop.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rats orbiting $100M houses of the lottery winners aha
mircea_popescu: it's nothing but rats hoping to make it.