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asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://ftp.mcs.anl.gov/pub/qed/archive/209 << interesting re: 'v mathematics' (or rather, what happens without)
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell linton_s_dawson a robust thread-tracker would be very nice.
assbot: key derivation - Why does the FBI ask Apple for help to decrypt an iPhone? - Cryptography Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1WuksV8 )
asciilifeform: http://hackaday.com/2015/07/29/review-single-board-65c02-and-65c816-computers << vintage lulz. check out the monkeys in the comments - 'this suxx! not modern!111 not arm!11 no pr0gr3ss!'
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: it works as it. In the future, just avoid nesting quotes in lists
danielpbarron: oh hm, I guess I need <br>s in the blockquote? Or is there an attribute to force it to respect line returns?
BingoBoingo: I'll mess with the html
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: nevermind, found the tags
danielpbarron: well the ordered list isn't logs, it's a list of links to the log, the text of the link is a number
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: over the giant chunk of logs
peterl: not just at this stage. We need to get away from the advertising revenue model, cause it sucks
danielpbarron: the weirdness is that i put a block quote in a list item in an ordered list
punkman: I can see a summary subscription thing making some money eventually
danielpbarron: blockquote where? I see it in the correct place on my end
peterl: sounds like a way to make pennies per hour (if you are lucky)
linton_s_dawson: peterl at this stage most defnitely.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Looks like <blockquote> is missing. deweird the html and resubmit
linton_s_dawson: If done properly it may get enough traffic to earn from advertisement? And then distribute earnings to contributors. ☟︎
punkman: are you gonna train some neural network?
peterl: it seems like something that would require active management to keep it up to date
punkman: linton_s_dawson: topic of log summaries comes up often, nobody delivers
peterl: linton_s_dawson there have been several suggested ways to summarize logs, but nobody has taken the time/put in the effort yet
danielpbarron: no rush, and maybe you'll need to scold me for doing some strange things with html; I'm not sure what my limits are exactly
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: ty, can't promise it'll go up immediately
peterl: it's like syncing the blockchain, it takes forever, and you have to keep connected once you do catch up
linton_s_dawson: So the idea is to create "The b-a chronicles" that will highlight important events/discussions/propositions with links to the context. Catching up will boil down to picking a specific date and seeing what happened on that day in a simple manner with links to the context.
linton_s_dawson: It goes without saying that catching up with everything since the beginning (if you are new blood) is tiresome. You could use Search to find discussions on specific topics but will still miss something important.
linton_s_dawson: I thought about what may improve the TMSR infrastructure and figured that the logs themselves are somewhat difficult to navigate. "Catching up" with the logs means reading through the whole conversation until you stumble upon what matters. I.e. "a new patch was proposed" or "MP uncovered the next scam in the making". ☟︎
BingoBoingo: In the end even USG scammed by BFL.
BingoBoingo: What, do people not believe me when I suggest I supplement the powers of the internet with broadcast radio?
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Rush Limbaugh is reporting he is being concilliatory at this point
shinohai: I should make a BitBet as to whether Donald Trumps sues Pope Francis over his comments today.
danielpbarron: if we're gonna compare a stake in a company to a single cow.. it's quite the remarkable cow; one which you can add and remove meat easily without bothering the beast, and milk it too!
adlai: arguably, now that bitbet is getting more advertising, punkman owns part of a brand; practically speaking, one can't buy the bitbet brand without enriching punkman a little (short of shorting s.bbet a lottle)
punkman: o hey my bbet dividend covered this month's fee
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: dividend is the only way to get continuous milk from the cow, instead of meat
danielpbarron: i think a dividend is more like a consolation prize
danielpbarron: i didn't sell any of the shares i earned for writing
danielpbarron: ask shareholders of qntra over the last months what was the point?
asciilifeform: wtf is the point of that
punkman: well I pay so I can "own" some shares, not to gamble
adlai: "Account management fee is asked only from accounts that hold any BTC or any assets by 1st of current month"
asciilifeform: i don't have to pay MONTHLY to ACCESS bitbet.
asciilifeform: punkman: understand, i will gamble once in a blue moon. but asking me to pay a MONTHLY subscription for access to a lottery machine, is lunacy.
danielpbarron: i don't really look at my coinbr unless i see a trade cross a new price
asciilifeform: punkman: did you ever actually calculate the EV or just handwaving ?
asciilifeform: or i can go to the street and burn a pyre of money. it is moar fun.
punkman: +-0.00001 happens often enough, it's really not much trouble.
asciilifeform: and if i want to lose from my terminal, i can play dice.
asciilifeform: don't need to spend the 10 min.
asciilifeform: i can lose downstairs in the lottery machine.
punkman: you buy 2k MPOE shares for 0.00055, you sell them at 0.00056, make enough for the fee. takes about 10 minutes every 6 months.
asciilifeform: can't speak for others, but i call things that require daily sweat to keep from going to shit - 'jobs'. and i want ~fewer~ of these rather than moar.
asciilifeform: i do not need this for anything.
asciilifeform: most folks, as mircea_popescu wrote, want to 'feel like traders'
asciilifeform: re: earlier thread, i often wonder what fraction of jurov's customers earn back the fee
trinque: ok, that all sounds fine
trinque: I can get behind the notion that limiting it to one puts pressure on keeping the make system small.
asciilifeform: it intereferes with fits-in-head and therefore harmful.
asciilifeform: another if we're splitting things for no apparent reason
asciilifeform: it is one thing if it is a heathen dep that pre-existed trb, e.g., boost
trinque: you're opposed to folders in a build tree having their own makefiles?
trinque: there was a thread about the folder structure I produced
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 16:59:55; trinque: asciilifeform: so, other than clean nuking deps, what did you hate about the makefiles ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409649 << there being > 1 of them. ☝︎
peterl: aha, I understand, just poking the bear
trinque: they *do* call into the dependency makefiles recursively, aside from boost, which bjams
mircea_popescu: peterl can't the guy have a preference ? and then pass it off as reasonable ?
peterl: and bitbet is more stacked than coinbr?
trinque: I may have some time to fiddle with that today.
trinque: asciilifeform: so, other than clean nuking deps, what did you hate about the makefiles ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: no but srsly... i tried to imagine little pancake faced people going "give it to me bish!" to little pancake faced people and nearly lost it.
peterl: and if you bitbet well, you beat the house, right?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: now you know! they harvest the lower horn of the bipedal african rhino...
mircea_popescu: what the everloving fuck did the internet do to people.
asciilifeform: and if i vegas well, i can beat the house in vegas, ahaha
mircea_popescu: now i get chinese language viagra spam referencing the putative sexual prowess of black people from africa.
peterl: the idea being if you trade well, you can beat the account fee
asciilifeform: peterl: why the FUCK would i let it MELT
asciilifeform: it is difficult to avoid having some coin, i occasionally take it ~in~ but - other than bitbet - have nothing on which to use it
mircea_popescu: not with that attitude.
asciilifeform: just not enough to make any difference.
asciilifeform ~has~ a little of just about everything on the periodic table, and moar
BingoBoingo: for srs, this started right the fuck after miners came around to vetoing classiccoin
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mircea_popescu: turns out in retrospect the only thing distinguishing humans and dog vomit was poor connectivity. once that was fixed...
adlai: at least parlimentary democracies float up lulz like "Party for Men's Rights, and Those of Taxi Drivers" (rough translation)
mircea_popescu: can you explain the difference between israel as it is and israel occupied by two feet tall grey goo ?
adlai: what's this?
mircea_popescu: adlai not to mention what humans are ALREADY emulating.
mircea_popescu: simple thermodynamics requires this situation to destabilize over time.
adlai waits for MIRI to close shop, concluding that from a purely utilitarian point of view, grey goo is really best for everyone involved
mircea_popescu: otherwise, the game of musical chairs is that 10 trn imaginary tokens were distributed between three exactly identical slashdots such that two got > 99%.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, it's not that. it's that google is desperate for stuff to make the shareholders dream another year.
adlai: market goes up, market does down. AGI can't explain that!
mircea_popescu: adlai in principle, showing that "seed" from sewer or palace leads to the same result is ~= to proof the process is pure metaphysics.
asciilifeform: adlai: these folks really itching for another 'ai winter' aren't they.
adlai: this is apparently some point of pride for folks in the "the machine does everything, i just gave birth" crowd
adlai: asciilifeform: hearsay traces back to the paper! the team claims not to seed with a single pro game.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i disagree. it is directed at ~own head~ typically