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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, they're notoriously bad at erorr messages.
mircea_popescu: MOST of these "need 5000 miners and 3000 forgers and 120 assemblers" etc are gone now.
mircea_popescu: that's the point here. consider 1950s process to make fighter jet. "iron ore is in ground -- must be taken to conveyor belt by hand because no sewing machine sophisticated enough to do this yet" ; then conveyor belted all the way to furnace, but "has to be poured by hand because no machine" ; then "has to be polished by hand because no machine". and so on.
mircea_popescu: and operator will do what operator does and there you go.
mircea_popescu: which means that yes, if tmsr builds a drone assembly line, it will work as designed.
mircea_popescu: but yes, evidently they can. this was after all the fucking point of even fabricating fgs / getting isp up etc : we CAN, as a factual matter, operate.
mircea_popescu: the claim was rather whether ~enough~ drones of ~sufficient~ quality can be built on short enough interval ~by single person~.\
mircea_popescu: trinque, you mean, electric engines or what's drone mean here ?
mircea_popescu: trinque, i have serious reservations re an item with broken design. it's a little bit like reading ancient greek imaginary descriptions of places "they heard exist", i have trouble digesting.
mircea_popescu: and renaming "x -- will take an inordinate amt of doing" as "x -- impossible" is a category error.
mircea_popescu: but the statement made, "x -- impossible" is very different from the correct, "x -- will take some doing"
mircea_popescu: this doesn't mean bugless soups are impossible ; nor does it mean all soups you ever ate are bugless.
mircea_popescu: so now i can't eat my soup anymore. "should i not have said anything ?"
mircea_popescu: for instance earlioer -- i was enjoying a bowl of delicious soup made yesterday. kitten slings by, pours herself a bowl too. then she discovers -- a dead beetle in there. it's beetle season, they're crazy. under pemra lights there's an inch thick beetle soil.
mircea_popescu: and mircea_popescu only sees this if he asks specifically, because yes, mircea_popescu has friends. so does asciilifeform. everyone only sees some portions.
mircea_popescu: this isn't a judgement of value. it's just a description aite ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yes, specifically, "i expected something else". "but why did you expect ?" "What do you want me to do, sit ?!".
mircea_popescu: the cognitive articulation of the complaint is thus : 1. i understand deeply the trees of implications of a few simple rules (ref
http://trilema.com/2018/technology-and-governance/ ) ; 2. i apprehend a novel object and create a mental model for it ; 3. i discover perceptible reality does not play well with the product of 2 ; 4. i complain.
mircea_popescu: complaints universally happen in proportion to a certain mental structure.
mircea_popescu: from managerial experience this is very much not a factual point.
mircea_popescu: has interest ~means "can not be kept out of any space for any reason".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, nevermind books printed. i had interests in ~all sorts~ of manufacturers aite ?
mircea_popescu: which is why cars stopped looking like 1970s sometime in 1980s.
mircea_popescu: eh, i don't imagine anyone but alf could seriously contemplate the "fabrication difficulties". gimme a break, i can and have bought machining tools that'd have been worth "hal;f the empire" in 1935 for a pittance. they make complex shaped metal sheets, and are cheap as fuck
mircea_popescu: the commie notion of "den of prostitution" as fit to put on film... o brother. RIGHT THERE is why driving TR past any value the idiots could survive is 100% justified.
mircea_popescu: in unrelated lulz, "faleze de nisip" is fucking hysterical for its montage of "man goes to visit den of prostitution after his obnoxious gf gets uppity and moves out".
mircea_popescu: so no, eminently not like oklahoma. like soviet-occupied berlin.
mircea_popescu: "deserted hinterland" is never approximation of "world depopulated of idiots", because the former is deserted ~because everyone chose to move somewhere else~, and the smart are more capable of enforcing that choice ; whereas the latter is deserted ~because idiots were killed~.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, no ; because oklahoma was selected for idiocy over two centuries. you know what brain drain is, yes ?
mircea_popescu: phf, is there a lot of romanesque, scifi etcetera work missing from your blog ?
mircea_popescu: this is the sort of objection that can only be resolved by historians.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i'm just picking on him. but anyway -- very large leverages are in fact both experimentally demonstrated and theoretically predicted. and the "someone else" argument is not germane -- i didn't specify who joe is ; if you object to my presumption that you'd be willing to work by including you, by all means, we could say sally instead. you think that does anything ?
mircea_popescu: other than this, "infinite" is not required. just a large enough factor, but 9 digits are far from "infinity"
mircea_popescu: it is not. consider -- i can (even thouigh ben_vulpes apparently can't) spin up endless instances of whatever boxen, notwithstanding "such a thing as the self-packing os was posed by neumann and stays where it was posed" bla bla.
mircea_popescu: there's a very sharp chance in 1980, which is why "the 80s".
mircea_popescu: there's 0 utility to 99% of the us population, in economic terms. there's ~maybe~ some sexual utility in 9%. but 90% can be ablated today and without adverse effects.
mircea_popescu: robotization is a fact ; modern factories don't need workers ; and the robots are not made by fucking hand, no.
mircea_popescu: dude i couldn't care less what chinese are trying to emulate white man working economy on.
mircea_popescu: some of the things that don't work don't work because no you/joe, and some don't work because IN SPITE of you-joe there werealso some orcs involved.
mircea_popescu: no item that works, now or ever, was produced through ANY OTHER MEANS than the you-joe method discussed above. not EVER.
mircea_popescu: how does this work ? is your code written by chickens, too ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, if you think the robots are maintained by orcs...
mircea_popescu: 'per-capita' being an entirely menaingless, baseless non-notion.
mircea_popescu: no, you do it with machinery, as everything everywhere. that's what "modern" means, that the per-capita productivity is not actually finite.
mircea_popescu: peon hands haven't seen a stitch of honest work in decades.
mircea_popescu: they're all in "government" offices going "Gimme" in a chorus. what fucking "hands" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, what fducking own hands, are you kidding me ?! NO ORC TODAY WORKS!!!! you understand thids ?!
mircea_popescu: the trashing the orclands get at our hands every fucking time we deign to rape them is not enough model of how this'd go ? joe from two states down will just send you some free molybdenum because fuck those orcs, and besides, you gave him a painting last year
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you even need a price, you're friends.
mircea_popescu: sure, you don't. the reason you don't is cuz you didn't put one in. nothing else.
mircea_popescu: same thing you say, can and is said by today's neet. "i don't have microscope in house lel"
mircea_popescu: today it's fucking trivial, wtf, make planes, what's to keep you.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: see, that's the meaning of stalin-couldn't, by 80s, feasible.
mircea_popescu: you can stamp a plane every 40min BY YOURSELF in your house
mircea_popescu: we're simply talking of killing most everyone, and using the space like people rather than like rats.
mircea_popescu: does this arrangement, with your private cheese cellar etc, connote some kind of techno-weakness on your part ?
mircea_popescu: same girl that made the bread now, makes the bread then.
mircea_popescu: once a week or when you feel like, you don your hunt gear and go out shoot a dear phasant whatever.
mircea_popescu: instead of you having to contend with 5mn other idiots trying to live in the same state ; you have to contend with only 50k. as a result, all real estate available consists of plots in excess of 50 acres, which include a creek, and forest. goes for the same price as you pay now, but it is what it is.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i think you misunderstood the "let's hunt".
mircea_popescu: that "person in charge" doesn't know this, speaks as to the incredible decay of explicit understanding -- by the time you lack the words and preformed expressions to describe necessity you've fallen into pre-literate times ; unequal to herodotus.
mircea_popescu: whether you go "everyone takes exam, bottom 10% get hung by those poles in schoolyard" or you go "nobody has to do anything and i can't explain all this cutting and anorexia", it makes entirely no difference.
mircea_popescu: understand, antrhiopology is not optional, this isn't some kind of elective course. in year X, Y must be done. "not doing it" isn't meaningful -- Y' will still be done, with shitty results.
mircea_popescu: yes. girlies are doing their job, society is failing them.
mircea_popescu: understand, such a thing as teenage female suicide is not known in classical works. it only appears once the need for the pressure to perform appears, at high enough tech densities.
mircea_popescu: because ro kids did -- various hung selves 18yo females can attest. and it is the ~only reason romania is ever mentioned by name this century.
mircea_popescu: when's the last time a bearer of us passport confronted a "be this tall or die" dilemma ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, because they're not at ALL serious about "clever".