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asciilifeform: everything that can be in scheme, MUST BE.
polarbeard: re: my patches, I'm trying to keep an up to date version of them on my github trb repo, wouldn't mind submitting to the ml if somebody asks
asciilifeform: polarbeard: why all the crud ?
mircea_popescu: there's been this weirdo trend of (mostly anglo) girls getting worried about their labia minora being "wrong", mostly on account of thgere being a LOT of natural variation on that score, and anglo chicks being all weird and insecure and sexually inexperienced. plus of course the crazed marketing society, that feeds into all of the above. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: that's mostly just fat/position tho.
mircea_popescu: you mean the outer labia ?
asciilifeform: i suppose if mircea_popescu tells me that it is standard, i will believe.
asciilifeform wonders about the hypertrophied labia 90%+ of porn chix seem to have
mircea_popescu is not arguing against tinischeme
asciilifeform: complete solution made from ~orthogonal pieces~ is the magic sword which weighs as a feather.
asciilifeform: any metric you like - lines, complexity, hours to read
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is a misconception, in this case. weigh my tinyscheme vs gnudiff!
mircea_popescu: complete tank solution includes oil well.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform complete solutions are rarely best solutions tho. too heavy.
asciilifeform: nobody said terraforming planets would be easy...
mircea_popescu: nor do we know the banal names of banal things until after we've made them, because unlike posterity, we don't have the advantage OF FUCKING SANE ANTECESSORS.
asciilifeform: which is why turingcompletefinalsolution.
mircea_popescu: in truth the situation here is that we don't even know much of the stuff we need until we need it,
asciilifeform: aha recall this from early trb days ?
mircea_popescu: e old version directory before applying the patch. Then run those commands yourself in the scratch directory."
mircea_popescu: "The simplest way to generate a patch is to use ‘diff -Naur’ (see Tips for Patch Producers), but you might be able to reduce the size of the patch by renaming or removing some files before making the patch. If the older version of the package contains any files that the newer version does not, or if any files have been renamed between the two versions, make a list of rm and mv commands for the user to execute in th
asciilifeform: 'v' as we have it now, or at least as it appeared in my initial publication, was a very hasty and premature, wartime wunderwaffen thing
asciilifeform: well it technically doesn't have to be scheme. draft ver of 'p' for instance is more forth-like.
mircea_popescu: why'd i guess like when talking to 16yos on saturday night ?
mircea_popescu: i for instance judged that since you DON'T say the obvious, you specifically do not mean the obvious.
mircea_popescu: listen, if you say "diff should parse scheme" instead of "diff should be turing complete" people'd follow a lot easier. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ah that's what you had in mind.
mircea_popescu: you can't put a kernel in every single thing including the diff utility!
asciilifeform: because 'cover corner cases' through 'enumerated' is braindamage.
mircea_popescu: i just don't see the gap between "cleanly covers corner cases" and "is turing complete" bridged.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> nor was the thing in any sense designed at all, really. << quite very much this.
asciilifeform: but it is one of the things that must come to exist, for sanity.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if this was not clear, there is not presently any such thing as turing-complete diff/patch
asciilifeform: nor was the thing in any sense designed at all, really.
mircea_popescu: no argument there.,
asciilifeform: we have this atrocity because gnudiff is incapable of renaming a directory without MORONICALLY --- -ing EVERY FUCKING LINE of every file and +++ -ing it in again
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is a continuation of a thread almost as old as 'v' - consider the tinyscheme-genesis patch, shiva, and the 'pedigree bridge'
mircea_popescu: what's the diff if loop ?
asciilifeform: it is why i settled on straight gnudiff instead of trying 'clever' things
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 06:02:08; punkman: asciilifeform: (you will have to rename the dir manually, because DIFF IS RETARDED) << I'll do a punkdiff release this week
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411879 << imho this will have to be a thing that is solved in one Final Solution shot, with turing-complete diff. we can NOT have 1,001 incompatible hacked gnudiff variants floating around in attempted use, it is chaos and death by ants. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> that bet is going to surprise some people << "overall" covers it imo
mats: i don't see why there would be a handicap now
adlai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo /me accidentally a word http://dpaste.com/3WX0P03.txt ☟︎
adlai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/34BA0H6.txt
adlai: so "some people" made an ass out of them and himself
ben_vulpes: alphago can "win" with handicap of 12 stones and that bet goes green
ben_vulpes: that bet is going to surprise some people
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell trinque yo hey yo hey
ben_vulpes: yo where da trinque at
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BingoBoingo: nuts, gotta protect them if you've got em'
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: ty, great find
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/698748328511696896/tHcNra2H_400x400.png << that's a pretty cool album cover lol.
punkman: asciilifeform: (you will have to rename the dir manually, because DIFF IS RETARDED) << I'll do a punkdiff release this week ☟︎
punkman: asciilifeform: afaik we don't presently have a vtron that is capable of digesting everything incl. the old crud. << my vtron digests conflicting patches
danielpbarron: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://danielpbarron.com/qntra-mint.asc.txt
mircea_popescu: us-style retail banking is an abominable pile of nonsense the likes of which nightmares are made of.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 04:45:43; asciilifeform: also am i the only one to whom 'unbanked' evokes a way of connecting memory ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411859 << nope exactly what i think also. and i'm closer to the financial field than fucking hardware. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 04:24:10; mod6: if someone knows what the problem is here, please submit. if testing is need, lets do it. all those things. telling me to take a break, or calm down, or take a vacation is not a solution.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411821 << no looky, it's not meant in that sense at all. just letting you know that we love you! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 04:12:28; mod6: for some reason, this guys friggin thing apparently wont verify, except for me. i seem to be the only one who has a gpg & his key that'll verify this damn thing
asciilifeform: also am i the only one to whom 'unbanked' evokes a way of connecting memory ? ☟︎
gernika: l0l the ethiopian coke machine
asciilifeform: cough up keyz or die of thirst?
BingoBoingo still remembers the one time he saw a person wearing a bitcoin t-shirt in a bar
gernika: asciilifeform: you might be interested to know that the scheme involved some sort of Coke Machine with a water filtration system.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 04:22:56; gernika: Some local color, since I'm voiced: I attended a bitcoin meetup in Oakland and encountered a team of "researchers" from Georgia Tech exploring using bitcoin to help the unbanked in Ethiopia. I asked, and no, none of them had been there.
asciilifeform: my build script is two dozen lines, and bugless.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 04:11:48; ben_vulpes: if asciilifeform hadn't already declared himself to not touch anything that brought anything down from the net he'd be complaining about all of the above as well
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411785 << i won't use thing that insists n downloads. and i ~definitely~ won't use a thing that wants to rebuild gcc or boost etc each time. ☝︎
asciilifeform: and intend to continue.
asciilifeform: re: thread: ftr i still use my original rotor builder.
asciilifeform: things that won't be pulled in no matter what.
mod6: phf: yeah, i see that, ok must be fixed
phf: it's not a detached signature. it's a standalone signed message that makes claims about shasums
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 04:15:54; mod6: gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.26 << both of my goddamn gentoo's have this installed.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411795 << thats what package mask is for!! ☝︎
phf: mod6: ~look~ at the inside of the signature
phf: well, not busted, but not actually a signature for the tar.gz file
phf: mod6: that signature is busted, just vidy output of curl -s http://buildroot.uclibc.org/downloads/buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign
ben_vulpes: i thought the vacation was already scheduled, hence the manic deadline pressure
mod6: if someone knows what the problem is here, please submit. if testing is need, lets do it. all those things. telling me to take a break, or calm down, or take a vacation is not a solution. ☟︎
mod6: what i need, is help. every day. until this is resolved.
gernika: Some local color, since I'm voiced: I attended a bitcoin meetup in Oakland and encountered a team of "researchers" from Georgia Tech exploring using bitcoin to help the unbanked in Ethiopia. I asked, and no, none of them had been there. ☟︎
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> go take a vacation dood << this is not a solution.
ben_vulpes: "trick question: first they magic veggieburgers into existence to pretend like they ate something wholesome before desert."
BingoBoingo: Even if you didn't know they were there.
ben_vulpes: "so you leave a hamplanet in a room with frosting, cornchips, guacamole, and cookies. which do they eat first?"
BingoBoingo: What punchline, all truefax. If you leave a planet in a room with icing, cornchips, and cookies there is a fair probability the hamplanet will eat the veggie burgers first out of curiosity.
ben_vulpes waits for the punchline
BingoBoingo: That's the problem with hamplanets of the sort Gavin is growing into. It is impossible to predict the things they will steal.
BingoBoingo: Actually it's hard to tell.
ben_vulpes: it's not like gavin's going to steal a march on you or anything
ben_vulpes: go take a vacation dood
mod6: you don't have to build with the script, just pull all the pieces and build by hand then.
mod6: well, i dunno what to say i guess.
gernika: mod6 - seems the build-bitcoind-V99995.sh script exits for me when attempting to download boost: http://dpaste.com/3GCPPX2
mod6: gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.26 << both of my goddamn gentoo's have this installed. ☟︎