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asciilifeform: upstack, '...those who purchase programming time now have a reason to care about programmer quality much more than they used to... obviously this will take a while. it'll happen first wherever software systems are interfacing with bitcoin. or are under pressure from ransomware. wherever it hurts the most.' ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: goes all the way back to tang dynasty.
mp_en_viaje: yeah. they're this cloud of idiots, this dude, graham, jobs, they all wear stupid clothes and aim to impress the gullible public by a certain style of fireworks.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: aint that an infamous crap artist ? i fughet
mp_en_viaje: https://seths.blog/2019/05/kinds-of-truth/ << this might be the dumbest piece of drivel i read today.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: where was this
mp_en_viaje: Kinds of truth “Gravity’s not just a good idea, it’s the law.” << check out the schmuck, "oh, here, nobody will notice pantsuitist pretense, let's talk about how gravity is the law. because hilary mcloser voted it!!!"
stjohn_piano_2: mp_en_viaje: makes sense. i don't think i'm a good choice for advertising work.
asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: as you have also probably found already, it is quite difficult to manufacture ~anything~ 'cheap' in ameristan.
stjohn_piano_2: in this case, mini-mill for consumer.
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, aite. i guess you're fated to thicken the rows of techs then.
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: i learned early on that he who has the money gets to decide what to spend it on.
asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: the rub is, 'konsoomer' dun particularly care to spray cutting oil and aluminum swarf all over himself
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: i agree. goal was to make "cnc mill for consumers" i.e. cheap.
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, so what did you go to school for ?
mp_en_viaje: "One of the most popular in the world 7,000 posts so far, more than a million readers." ; dude's still going, check him out. les keks.
stjohn_piano_2: although for speech rec, it was small company (my father), so I also did bookkeeping, reading about taxes, setting up computers, etc.
asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: i have cnc mill (for metal, not only wood, albeit slow) right here, made from scavenged materials + 1970s 'sherline'. it's a weekend's work. i.e. pretty hard to make profit selling'em, china nao ships complete kits.
stjohn_piano_2: speech rec company: learned to build / tune /test speech rec systems (nuance, grxml). ran transcription projects for the test data. wrote statistical sampler scripts for the output.
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, so mechanical engineer for factory and then software engineer for sound recording thing ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: right, it's what he did with the bag of moola. immediately politruks appeared to 'help' him 'see light' etc
mp_en_viaje: apparently those are easy to get, in usgistan. then again... long standing tradition, who still recalls the "tribes" genius.
stjohn_piano_2: to make mini-mill thing for wood.
stjohn_piano_2: mp_en_viaje: furniture factory: i studied all the components i was given and tried to make them work together: so, camera, computer, motion controller, servomotors, wiring etc.
mp_en_viaje: aha. but i meant since, made a "ycombinator" thing.
mp_en_viaje: his forray into business however, is sadly reminiscent of tucker max.
asciilifeform has both on shelf, they're notbad
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: did, but wasn't what he was known for, was still trade seekrit. was known for 2 schoolbooks on commonlisp.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 18:04 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, if you think about it, not only common, but forced because necessary. the human condition in postmodernism, as "lost on a raft atop sea of nonsense" kinda forces the tribe's expendable labour (ie, young males) into the "quickly search through large portions of sea"
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1913906 << this is an excellent description ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: tho i suspect other guy wrote, graham talked.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, more like in 90s, didn't they write a lisp-web thing ?
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, ok, but what did you do for them ? accounting ?
mp_en_viaje chuckles thinking back on the dfays of http://trilema.com/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/ ; remember back when internet "people" actually thought paul graham has shit to say on topics and things ?
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: ^ those, for pay.
stjohn_piano_2: speec rec company wanted transcription projects to test the speech systems.
stjohn_piano_2: furniture factory wanted to see if they could make and sell a cnc mini-mill.
stjohn_piano_2: ah. actually two businesses. one was a furniture factory, one did speech rec system tuning.
mp_en_viaje: so basically you were involved in one small biz, and it had something or the other to do with digitization, or w/e in that vein.
asciilifeform: soo mainly to do with automating ocr ?
stjohn_piano_2: I've done: writing python scripts to sort large amounts of transcription data, running transcription projects, setting up raspberry-pi-powered cameras, figuring out what to do about gdpr, bookkeeping.
mp_en_viaje: ever since that graham scammer completely lost it, and started whining about some idiots who "handmade cereal boxes to sell their idea"
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 17:51 stjohn_piano_2: i have unfortunately worked mostly in small businesses, making me something of a "learn this thing quickly well enough to get it to do X function".
mp_en_viaje: well, maybe i misread the substance of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1913875 ; afaik 80% of what "small business" means for the past ~decade is exaftly the above. ☝︎
asciilifeform: Key ID - 0x889ACC4FC8EFFF13 is defo not any of his subs ~or~ the primary. trinque ^ prolly worth a look ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: anyway, here's a consultancy i'm willing to hire you for : find some place that a) doesn't suck and b) offers a good price to advertise trilema on. large venues only ; none of the pompous bullshit. bulk adult traffic would do fine for instance, maybe talk to the juicyads dorks.
stjohn_piano_2: strange. doing the operation again with the original OTP still produces the error.
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: ah. thanks.
mp_en_viaje: well he'll be hard pressed to do it here if unvoiced, lol
asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: in the future, you'll want to do exactly same manipulation, but in privmsg w/ deedbot .
mp_en_viaje: speaking of slave labour, naked girls in my room packing my shirts. "watch, like this. see ?"
stjohn_piano_2: asciiliform, mp_en_viaje: thanks for the help
asciilifeform: aa there we go, ...273 was his primary (pgpdump for soemreason doesn't dump fphash of primary)
stjohn_piano_2: ah. first time -> opened link in browser, copied text into file. did not use curl.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, seems inconceivable the nick was pre-registered ?!
asciilifeform: which aint any of the subs in his regged pub
mp_en_viaje: ^ put that in a term
stjohn_piano_2: should i use the first or second, or either?
asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: also plz paste the eggog output from attempt
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, do the voicing in here
stjohn_piano_2: so my working assumption is that the priv is in fact the right one.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: hey, dun have to go far for this, e.g. asciilifeform earns bread these days by 'which 11 pages of microshit docs add up to the truth re $kernelknob' etc
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: have exported pub-derived-from-priv and diffed it with pub-downloaded-from-deedbot. no difference other than "Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)".
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, if you think about it, not only common, but forced because necessary. the human condition in postmodernism, as "lost on a raft atop sea of nonsense" kinda forces the tribe's expendable labour (ie, young males) into the "quickly search through large portions of sea" ☟︎
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: i have imported the corresponding priv. will now export pub and confirm that it's the same as the one in deedbot.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in the case of subkeyism, he oughta then see a diff b/w the dumps, as i understand
stjohn_piano_2: i've abandoned the stateless commands and am using the basic stuff.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 17:58 mp_en_viaje: did you yourself do that btw ?
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1913894 << really wanted more-or-less self-contained unchangeable publishing. thought i might as well make it look nice. ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, he prolly registered they main but gpg wants to use the sub (or vice-versa, i dun recall which this was)
asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: seems like your pgptron still doesn't have access to the corresponding priv ?
stjohn_piano_2: (correct key ID of the public key) *
stjohn_piano_2: puzzler: why the key ID in the otp message is C8EFFF13, while my key's fingerprint is 599152AC. importing the private key into gpg produces (in gpg --list-keys) the correct key ID 599152AC. diffing the key returned by deedbot with my public key shows no difference.
mp_en_viaje: did you yourself do that btw ? ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: certainly displays the patience required, to, eg, make a quite pretty mp-wp clone in python.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-05 16:52 mircea_popescu: well, there's that old "as i became a man i put the things of childhood aside". "something else", you know ? not a girl, no, but who knows what terror ?!
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1848033 and all that. ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, in a sense, the issue here you'll now have to transition into maturity.
asciilifeform: unreliable robotics is far worse than none at all
asciilifeform: this sorta underscores mp_en_viaje's point -- if you have automation in the loop, it had better work and actually save time
stjohn_piano_2: i know, hadn't expected this part to produce trouble.
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: no. still tracing back over the steps.
asciilifeform: you'll defo want to fix asap.
asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: got anywhere re the puzzler of why key noworky?
asciilifeform: curable, is the good news
asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: this sorta thing is almost universal afflication of young folx. i can see why you choked on ffa tho, it has literally no 'parts that can be safely skipped'
stjohn_piano_2: i guess i could say that i'm very good at reading a lot of material and picking out the bit that is necessary for a problem.
stjohn_piano_2: i have unfortunately worked mostly in small businesses, making me something of a "learn this thing quickly well enough to get it to do X function". ☟︎
stjohn_piano_2: mp_en_viaje: thanks for feedback, by the way.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 17:48 mp_en_viaje: so look, and i hope you don't take this the wrong way (a hope mostly fed by your claim to have read the logs) : you're a guy with an evident humanities / non-technical background trying to get something going, start a company, all that stuff. nothing wrong with that. you are however currently beset by two prongs of problem. one is that in your quest to do something, you often do things that are getting in your own way -- there's no benefit for you f
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1913862 << yes, reading logs has thickened skin substantially. ☝︎
asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: soviet-era typewritten + pencilled corrections, if yer curious
mp_en_viaje: now -- the 2nd is probably more approachable.
mp_en_viaje: the other prong is that you don't actually have anything you can compete in. slave labour or no slave labour, she does it in five hours and you don't. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: And a lot of people advertising for "transcription" aren't the sort equipped to decode cultureal artifacts
mp_en_viaje: rom all the pomp of "datafeed article 103," etc. it just clunks up your thought process. i know you don' tthink so, familiarity breeds a feeling of safety etc. but it's absolutely never worth it to have more shit than you need. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: so look, and i hope you don't take this the wrong way (a hope mostly fed by your claim to have read the logs) : you're a guy with an evident humanities / non-technical background trying to get something going, start a company, all that stuff. nothing wrong with that. you are however currently beset by two prongs of problem. one is that in your quest to do something, you often do things that are getting in your own way -- there's no benefit for you f ☟︎
asciilifeform: i dare say this is not the 1st line of work i'd picture a fella with broken hands going into.. ☟︎
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: this computer doesn't have a djvu reader, but i have no doubt that it's painful.
BingoBoingo: human-powered ocr has a high error rate when the wrong bipeds are involved