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assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 16:37:49; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417383 << the real boojum is, shiva is EXACTLY the kind of scenario which produces ~atrocious~ lisps
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll give this some more though today as I take my turn at the homestead clearing debris
mircea_popescu: and of course never is the gamble discussed, or the mechanism for that matter.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the power of this scheme, such as it is, is reductionism. specifically : map a large number of idiocies on the same (historical) term for similar idiocies. it is a dangerous gamble.
BingoBoingo: "minority groups" likely transforms on its context to "political patrons" "loyal mobs" and "select demographics"
mircea_popescu: "Under the Republic an almost unlimited frankness in public utterances was tolerated and a considerable confusion of the mind, unfeigned and unabashed, was bared to everyone's inspection. Under the Dictatorship only one idea of political and philosophical relevance could be safely expressed. As a result, public utterances became uniform and, in the same proportion, insincere." heh. said of every republic ever.
mircea_popescu: phf ithought we were disucssing the cl vs scheme thing ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i mean specific transforms. "minority groups" to be rendered "aryans". etc. would require some time spent with the fishwraps i guess.
phf: to some extent init.scm is like a v patchset, functions referencing functions, which is in turn a popularity contest, except not directly supported by wot
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo might actually be a good idea for qntra to establish a standard procedure to do this. << There already is. Tack a paragraph on top of it explaining its deviance from sanity and wrap the document as plaintext in block quotes
mircea_popescu: "The commission found evidence that city staffers had failed to enforce diversity and had unfairly blamed aryan-owned firms for delays in projects."
asciilifeform: briefly revisiting john young's thing on cpunks, 'full sharing' does not ~always~ take place. the lizards don't give a flying fuck re: a dead snackbar.
mircea_popescu: in general the first requirement of thought is "use language derived from the objects not the subjects"
asciilifeform has followed this dictum since forever.
mircea_popescu: after all, no physch writes up disease in patient terms.
mircea_popescu: there is really little cause to discuss usg behaviours in any other terms, and there's very good cause to NOT discuss it in the terms usg itself comes up with.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo might actually be a good idea for qntra to establish a standard procedure to do this.
mircea_popescu: yeah, and the result is actually not bad.
asciilifeform: mr mold, if this was not clear, was playing hofstadter's word-swap game.
mircea_popescu: The California Supreme Court took up its first diversity case in almost seven years today, agreeing to decide the legality of San Francisco's program that grants preferences for aryan contractors. The court granted a hearing on appeals by two companies that say the city ordinance violates Proposition 209, the 1996 initiative that outlawed aryan preferences in public contracting, employment and education
mircea_popescu: in other similar news, from the piece you linked,
asciilifeform: 'DoJ is required to cloak NSA-CIA capabilities by pretending full sharing does not take place. Redacted and excluded filings and decisions by DoJ, district, appeal, SCOTUS and FISA courts along with open and classified executive orders by and POTUS, and best of all, classified contracts, implements this. ... Going to court melodramatizes and sanitizes the bung-holing (like USG v. Apple) with in camera, withholding, stonewalli
asciilifeform: phf: i'd go for whichever ~weighs less~ (and not in the idiot scheme community metric of 'the language weighs less') but THE AGGREGATE
mircea_popescu: phf and do you take the further step and say "since all ambiguity is definitionally bad design, we prolly need to cut this knot at a higher level" ?
phf: re standartization, issue i'm personally running into is that we can drag tinyscheme in the direction of common lisp or stick to scheme conventions. both have downsides
asciilifeform: the tricky bit is that for a while you end up with 2 routines that do (nominally) same thing
phf: we don't have a way to serialize/deserialize yet, so the point is moot, but probably not for long ☟︎
phf: ben_vulpes: get-difficulty is a straight rip of the c from bitcoinrpc.cpp << correct way to do that one is to write get-index-best that returns block-index structure that you can get bits value from, and then have get-difficulty do all the equivalent calculations in scheme, bitshifting and all
mircea_popescu: or fine - should you protest virtue is cheap for the purpled - shakespeare, idem. and that man had absolutely no virtue.
asciilifeform: naturally not on all. only the psychiatrically-inspired ones.
asciilifeform: this works as well on ancient texts as on microshit
mircea_popescu: (unrelatedly - i've re-read the arabic old texts. the previous time i did this they ended up in the fire. somehow, the shit's grown EVEN MORE offensive over the years. scarcely can explain this wonder - the people involved have been dead for a thousand years.)
mircea_popescu: lest you hear evil things of sin and decide to throw all this crap in the septic tank where it belongs.
mircea_popescu: but in any case - do not talk to the ones that don't have the official allakhu-snackbar brand,
mircea_popescu: "172 – Rule: Men are allowed to speak to non-Mahram women as long as the following two conditions are met: It is not with the intention of lust. "
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform allow me to quote from the prophet moar!
mircea_popescu: that enough bar is necessarily higher in eastern societies, that aren't quite as fucktarded as anglotwerps, and so here we go.
mircea_popescu: islam is not specifically oppressive of women. it is merely opressive of INDIVIDUAL women enough so that the men may be persuaded to swallow socialism.
asciilifeform: and yes, totalitarian state consists of implementing in the flesh, precisely this.
mircea_popescu: which goes right back to a much older thread re arabs and women and how it all works.
mircea_popescu: “Do you not see that Allah knows whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth? Nowhere is there a secret counsel between three persons but He is the fourth of them, nor (between) five but He is the sixth of them, nor less than that nor more but He is with them where ever they are; then He will inform them of what they did on the day of resurrection: surely Allah is Aware of all things.”
mircea_popescu: look at that, allah is not welcome in the logs!
asciilifeform: 'there is not to be a physical space where you feel safe speaking' is the ultimate objective of all sov-style systems.
mircea_popescu: but this is not a matter of parties per se. it is not a matter of conviction, it is a matter of biology.
asciilifeform: 'there is to be a Party member in every lift.'
asciilifeform: but at any rate, he is speaking of something palpably real and known to virtually all usaschwitz inmates.
asciilifeform: in fact, a good chunk of what i remember as 'moldbuggery' appears to be a synthesis that exists nowhere outside of my own head (and occasionally the logz)
asciilifeform: i'm not convinced that this is the correct link.
mircea_popescu: but... he speaks of minorities. minorities are not women. what's the logic ?
mircea_popescu: i don't see how this sawed off grenade made for the purpose of convincing kids not to make or use grenades you linked has anything at all to do with the bomb above, tbh.
asciilifeform doesn't buy frozen concentrates, does not distinguish the grades
mircea_popescu: anyway. to continue the thought - the usg and its ephemera are deeply and fundamentally antifeminist. they hate women as individuals and aim to exploit them as a mass. this is EXACTLY the situation of black people in the antebellum south : hated as individuals, exploited as a group.
assbot: Unqualified Reservations: The real meaning of diversity ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8aCfp )
asciilifeform: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/09/real-meaning-of-diversity.html << possibly this was it.
mircea_popescu: might be his best article then.
asciilifeform: mr mold described it in precisely these terms.
mircea_popescu: for the same reason - army could have overthrown soviets, tech can overthrow soviets etc.
mircea_popescu: much like the 1st soviets would have said "have more politruk/comissars in the army", the 2nd soviets want more women, unspecified, in tech.
mircea_popescu: it is "have more women". the statistical entity.
mircea_popescu: note that it is not said "have more WOMAN, as in, have more of the romanian chick at mit who wrote the ai guy's eulogy"
mircea_popescu: women, not in the sense of individuals but in the sense of the mass monster they constitute in aggregate, are always and everywhere in favour of the state and the statu quo.
asciilifeform: let's have the canonical form ?
asciilifeform: i suppose i'm thick, then
mircea_popescu: which is why i put the question in asciilifeform , the is is actually thoroughly nailed down for this scope.
mircea_popescu: all "produces" reduce to "ought to", easier for people who comprehend enough physics to know time is not a thing, but even for more pedestrian minds.
asciilifeform: the first form only wins you anything if you've thoroughly nailed down the 'is'
mircea_popescu: "i do x because x OUGHT TO y" < wrong. non-thought. towards purpose.
mircea_popescu: "i do x because x IS y" < correct. thought. from cause.
mircea_popescu: more generally, and for extensibility & standardization purposes, the canonical form :
mircea_popescu: which is why it's not thought.
mircea_popescu: this is the problem with forward-looking attempts at thought.
asciilifeform: ergo we learn that there was no wind.
asciilifeform: rust catalyzes rust. there is no purpose baked into the statement.
mircea_popescu: "i do x because x produces y" is fundamentally THE forward-looking statement.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, try an actual reasoning (ie, from causes) rather than a faux-fiatesque monstrosity (as to purposes)
mircea_popescu: this is true.
asciilifeform: failure of a mechanical system, or even of meat organ, tends to be a cascading phenomenon
mircea_popescu: what's that mean ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> leads to moar scar tissue.
asciilifeform: folks who belonged at the plow.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 15:11:22; mircea_popescu: i've been spending the ~week since the various selectatron discussions meditating on the problem. i do not believe javascript is rescuable. not withstanding all the effort derps put into it, javascript is fundamentally a broken idea that for this reason can never be useful.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417404 << it was made by shitpeople and thereby it could not have been anything but shit. ☝︎
asciilifeform: leads to moar scar tissue.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 14:53:51; mircea_popescu: and speaking of "good things that ruin other good things", is it generally obvious to the esteemed b-a WHY the movement to "more women in tech", "more women in army", "more women in bla-bla" trends ? i thought it is, but then again maybe i'm the only one to whom it is.\
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417397 << scar tissue. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i dusted it off as a wartime wunderwaffen thing.
asciilifeform: and still an rather unsure that it was a good idea
asciilifeform: this is one of the reasons i sat on shiva for as long as i did
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 14:45:10; mircea_popescu: from what i hear lisp is "already standardized". i personally am not terribly persuaded by this claim, but will entertain it on a technical basis as the cases may come. who knows, maybe gabriel was right and it is.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417383 << the real boojum is, shiva is EXACTLY the kind of scenario which produces ~atrocious~ lisps ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: minimal as specified in r5, AND ts does not fully implement r5 (largely in the interest of fits-in-head, but also original author's laziness)
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 14:44:32; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417192 <<< current shiva is two steps away from even ~beginning~ the process of standardization. people with lisp experience will supply common but ultimately inconsequential conventions (hyphens plox!), but in general speaking, shiva's usage and lisp's general lack of practical usage or utility means that our work here will actually standardize LISP ju
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417379 << now this is complicated. commonlisp is standardized (next to ada, ~the~ most standardized language - compliance is iron, and you can actually ~use~ it as per the standard) - BUT - massive, and unsuitable for inclusion in a larger proggy. scheme, on the other hand, is also well-standardized - r5rs (ignore r6 and after, the weevils got to it) BUT the language is unusably ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 14:37:30; mircea_popescu: Оборонно-массовая и патриотическая работа, ie what the whores (see То знай: за честь должна считать Знакомство юнкерского хуя!) and their litter does.
mircea_popescu: once red hat can not also pay, for the printing press was smashed, then yes. not before.
mircea_popescu: if this thing is constructed on that process, we've therefore got nothing.
asciilifeform: and i certainly see the point of view.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 07:43:07; ben_vulpes: i recommend a thorough course of benjies, piped straight through the developer funnel.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417227 << i think mircea_popescu would rather chew off his own fingers than pay programmers for whatever. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 08:31:50; punkman: "the release of the final report of a lengthy public inquiry into Mr. Litvinenko’s death."