asciilifeform: without individually fucking with each proggy that shits'em
asciilifeform: centralized logging actually has at least 1 known win -- i can dump all logs, or subset of'em, to tape printer
asciilifeform: it's braindamaged. but i gotta point out why i haven't said how to demolish it -- cuz haven't yet conceived of how to do so w/out losing what imho is essential function
asciilifeform: and will have to be bulldozed at some point..
asciilifeform: the whole unix permissions thing is a massive crock of shit
asciilifeform: and how to give just 1 process ? a group per process ? ugly.
asciilifeform: i dun see why it would apply to trb tho, trb must have write or it cannot store blox.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856534 << non-kernelistic but 'systemwide' logging is an unfortunate artifact of unixism, where there are processes that dun have write permissions anywhere but nevertheless must log☝︎
asciilifeform: but upstack, pretty sure i grasp the point re contracts, they are not substitute for actual cohesion , and anyone who tries to substitute , ends up with obummer's empire, yes
asciilifeform: but perhaps moar complicated, asciilifeform is not expert turkist.
asciilifeform: vizier was iirc counted as in same chart, and was defo l1.
asciilifeform: was simply curious re whether the other participants (incl. new ones, potentially hanbot) see the thing through same lens as asciilifeform , or not.
asciilifeform: i'ma agree that 'delineate it in contract' is not solution.
asciilifeform: even if this turns out to be impossible.
asciilifeform: so to return to orig q , imho 'job of physicist' is 1st, and above all, to work so that 'physics' ~fits in head~ and thereby remains a legitimate item.
asciilifeform: physics, imho, has failed, i.e. accepted eternally snowballing complexity liquishit in place of unifications ( 9000 threads.. )
asciilifeform: recall the thread where mircea_popescu observed 'y'know those 'hard' murder cases, where detective sits an' thinks, well guess what , in new york they no longer do that, either obvious suspect or they shelve it nao'☟︎
asciilifeform: and we also know what failure looks like.
asciilifeform: physicist, who ~must~ look for a simpler equation that in fact may not exist; surgeon who must operate on the possibly-hopeless pre-corpse; detective, who must look for a robber who for all he knows maybe teleported; etc
asciilifeform: there's all kindsa people whose entirely legit duty is to attempt, continuously, the possibly-impossible.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall the thread with the physicists.
asciilifeform: i'm sympathetic to the scandinavian view -- yes, world will perish in fire and ice, nothing is 4evah, etc. but doesn't excuse surrender.
asciilifeform: doesn't excuse anybody from trying and dying on the embrasures imho.
asciilifeform: it ~preserves~ a valuable and continuously-attacked item.
asciilifeform: strictly from asciilifeform's pov, tbf is a (to date, imho very successful) ~conservative~ institution, rather like (pre-20th c) vatican.
asciilifeform: at the risk of 'bureaucratism', i'd suggest to mod6 & ben_vulpes to amend charter to explicitly make clear the duties of the chair, prior to swapping chairs. but would be curious to see what mircea_popescu thinks.☟︎
asciilifeform: i suppose the fundamental headache is that the charter never explicitly specified that the chair is who does.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i dun particularly care who in l1 does it, for so long as it keeps being done.
asciilifeform: as i observed just today and on 9000 occasions, even the simple thing of 'why can a trb node be 100 blox behind a fellow trb peer' is not yet licked
asciilifeform: fwiw i see my own work on trb, to date, as a ~defensive~ affair, i.e. to make whatever fixes req'd to keep the thing working precisely as it worked in 2009, in the face of the very real and continuing network rot / 9000 forms of active attack from heathendom to date
asciilifeform: my contention was simply that oddball extensions of the mission ought not to subtract from the traditional mission, is all.
asciilifeform: and anyffing on top of that, is bonus
asciilifeform: way i see it, if hanbot takes over mod6's duties, then oughta at least carry on what he was doing ( i.e. maintenance of the flagship tree, testing of candidate patches )☟︎
asciilifeform: it is very much a question for the board, tho.
asciilifeform: way i see it, there's plenty of sharp edges left on good old trb, and any new work ought not to subtract from the very real remaining work of smoothing'em out.
asciilifeform: and the orig 'rotor', i baked for tbf, and from it we have the musl thing, etc
asciilifeform: diana_coman: right, pretty much all of the early vtronics work happened on tbf ml
asciilifeform: ( and imho all of the people qualified to work on trbi, are already here, they dun need to see duck races to be persuaded to come... )☟︎
asciilifeform: i could even see an argument that the charter could permit 'trb-i' work under the flag of tbf. but that's as far as it goes, per my reading☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856296 << i gotta admit that i dun see point in 'growth for growth's sake'. there was already prb 'foundation' for ~that~. tbf is for maintaining & improving (constructively! there's plenty of actual ills to cure, that dun reduce to 'not enuff heathen notoriety' ) trb.☝︎
asciilifeform: ( i.e. i dun recall spain defending any claims to the contents of sunken 17th c. galleons that usa regularly picked up in '70s-'80s )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856334 << ianal, but aint that the ~whole point of 'international maritime law' ? where iirc once insurance pays, the sunken cargo turns into 'buried treasure' and belongs to whoever lifts it, no questions asked ?☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ~that~ is the Right Thing for cl packagetronics.
asciilifeform doesn't use any fancy redirection-to-sys-logger for trb log, and doesn't intend to☟︎
asciilifeform: imho oughta exist at the very least as optional jumper.
asciilifeform: dug through log, but not found answ yet
asciilifeform: incidentally, does anyone remember wtf happened to the 'log timestamps' patch for trb ? who wrote it, and how come it never made it into the flagship tree ?☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: at some point i'ma try ben_vulpes's 'moar aggress' variant, which cures this.
asciilifeform: then again there is the simpler explanation : that it only gets asked on connect, and our connectivity is good enuff that this happens rarely.
asciilifeform: i'm pretty curious why a trb node is able to answer pfrom->PushGetBlocks(pindexBest, uint256(0)); with ANYTHING other than the immediately-missing next block, when it is known to have it.
asciilifeform: ( after 'aggression' i find that this condition lasts a day or 2, max, but was quite curious re how it is able to come about to begin with. )
asciilifeform: currently ~100blox behind highest known height.
asciilifeform: it's a q for the current board. i suggested to ask hanbot because hanbot is known as a very skilled organizational hand, and not currently running anyffing ( aside from, possibly, mircea_popescu's janissary corps )☟︎
