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Namworld: yes, we all need
a lot of capital for options
Bowjob: I wish I had
a bit more conviction.. I'm so indecisive when it comes to BTC :/
Namworld: I require
a large margin for options...
Bowjob: I imagine my bitcoins fighting
a war right now. They need to take prisoners in order to become stronger
mircea_popescu: i wonder how much cheaper the huge aluminum box was than
a normal closer fitting one
assbot: I don't give
a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
smickles: um, no, I think it has made
a prediction about
a shortterm top
mircea_popescu: StarenseN the entire point of ther blockchain is to offer
a distributed time
mircea_popescu: if you double output you will do the 2k blocks in
a week instead of two
Bugpowder: less than
a week if asics make
a difference
StarenseN: in that way the market can fluctuate
a bit
Bugpowder: THis address topped up the 1Di6ux address with
a 4104 BTC deposit after it ran dry... 1B5h9sf6xNLYGa3NBk48hwYbxyNZ22PRJk
gesell: wtf, is that
a USB to serial card or something like that on the avalon?
Bugpowder: If your vision is for
a few months from now... that growth rate and EV return should support
a higher share valuation
Bugpowder: They shipped it with
a chinese power cable?
rng29a: how long does it take before
a bet appears on bitbet ?
dub: EskimoBob logic 101: 1) call eveyone names and generally make
a cunt out of yourself 2) ask them to break teh law for you
smickles: it needs
a permanent capital reserver of no less than 500000 in addition to all this other stuff
smickles: the administrator of it has to have
a net worth of >=1.5 million usd
dub: the internet might be about to have
a bad day
jborkl: Wait, I don't see the point of what he is doing. If you need to exchange there is GOX and if someone needs
a loan they just go scam off the lending forum right?
smickles: well, it's
a little easer than arizona
smickles: Any number of persons, resident freeholders of the State, not less than 15, may associate to establish an association on the terms and conditions and subject to the liabilities hereinafter prescribed. The aggregate amount of the capital stock of any such association shall not be less than twenty thousand dollars ($20,000). Such association shall mean
a corporation organized under the laws of the State for the purpose of making loans upon agricultu
mircea_popescu: should have made
a credit union instead of an accounting firm
mircea_popescu: has some funny site run off
a sort of blogspot free hoster
smickles: lol, so he raised the 15million or so usd to start
a credit union?
mircea_popescu: wasn't someone posting
a supposed cgiminer screenshot earlier ?
dub: EskimoBob: stop talking to yourself crazy person, everyone else tuned you out
a long time ago
dub: <midnightmagic> All it needs is
a strong science-based education and it just naturally follows.
mircea_popescu: yeah but i suspect the chinese are about
a degree of magnitude more competent with infiltration
midnightmagic: All it needs is
a strong science-based education and it just naturally follows.
midnightmagic: I see
a problem with the notion that white people are blameless and that civilising people requires brutal murderous oppression.
dub: unfortunately I think the reality is that our species needs quite
a bit of die-back and the natural place for this to occur is the third world
mircea_popescu: you seriously see
a problem with smacking the "residents" of the hut agglomeration across the skull
mircea_popescu: "IRISVALE HALT, Zimbabwe, Jan. 17 (UPI) -- Residents of
a Zimbabwe village said they've "cleansed"
a medical clinic of goblins but nurses who fled the clinic are still too afraid to come back to work."
mircea_popescu: the civilisation of the human race is
a work of opression. our problem is that we've stopped doing it.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic yeah. problem is sometimes these people are experts
a la taaki.
mircea_popescu: well yes, but this is
a little more ellaborate than just "it's based on math"
midnightmagic: Either you or I could go prove to
a naive party that we own all the bticoins in the world right now.
midnightmagic: he couldn't prove he owned them because he could prove he was able to make *all* of the signatures in the multisig. only
a fraction of them.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: By the methods of identity collapse as they stand, yes, it comingles wallets and makes
A B C D ... X all appear to be G
mircea_popescu: privately, however, if some idiot doesn;'t know about all this, we have what may be construed as
a very fat wallet G
midnightmagic: dub: One of them is
a forensic analysis of transactions to determine likely owners, and the other is an attempt to use transactions to foil the methods of determining owners.
mircea_popescu: so as to carefully construct something that by that however flawerd, nonsensical etc method WOULD APPEAR to be
a single wallet, call it G
mircea_popescu: so, accepting that however flawed, nonsensical or poiintless, some sort of method makes
A' out of perceived interractions in the blockchain
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Hey man that's
a false analogy. But if you want to rhetorically accept the "identity collapse" thing, fine. Go on then and make your point, I'll listen.
mircea_popescu: dude, if i say "
a car will move items around the surface of the earth"
a discussion of combustion engines is out of place
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: It means that gmaxwell can't prove to buffett that he owns those coins; and that his purpose isn't to put on
a tweed coat and
a bowler's hat and smoke
a pipe and say he's rich.
midnightmagic: dub: Actually, he railed against gpumax because gpumax appeared to be
a coin laundry that the participants were unaware of. (exchanging dirty for pristine at
a premium.)
midnightmagic: I interpret the ~= to mean that some addresses overlap or can be related to the addresses prior, but that's what I say can't be related unless the owner of the outputs of the transactions signs
a non-multisig transaction that requires
A' *and*
A addresses together in
a single-output txn, *and* we assume that people would automatically steal from one another if they could.
mircea_popescu: well yeah. but it yields somehow some sort of
A' approximation
midnightmagic: hrm. i'd have to think about it some more to agree with your statement. there's
a large hand-wavey part wrapped up in the identity collapse.
mircea_popescu: There's addresses a1-an, b1-bn, ... x1-xn belonging to wallets
A, B, ... X. Through tx collapse one can extract out of the blockchain what appear like wallets
A', B', ... X'. These wallets will contain
a number of addresses, which may or may not coincide with the proper a1-an set for
A. In general it's safe to asume that
A !=
A', but it may also be the case that
A ~=
A'.
midnightmagic: What would need to happen would be that someone would have to take the word of
a totally untrusted third-party who says, "well look here, this is all from the same person"
mircea_popescu: but it may well be to show someone who doesn't read the forum that he has
a huge wallet.
mircea_popescu: gmaxwell is trying to collect
a number of addies in varying wallets into single such collapsed presumed wallets
midnightmagic: because I've already done it with him
a bunch of times, so lemme go check and see whether it's the same thing.
mircea_popescu: the entire process actually involves an address of gmaxwell into what'd be
a single collapsed identity.
midnightmagic: They're different addresses though. So gmaxwell comes along and offers to join his own money into
a multisig *transaction* which has an output of some other, new addresses.
midnightmagic: This method can be used to collect
a pile of individual txn and "collapse" all the addresses into one entity.
midnightmagic: Okay, from the top. When someone tries to figure out
a particular identity, they use the method as described in the identifying mechanisms presented at 28c3 in germany: transactions "prove" that the person who "owns" the inputs is the same person.
mircea_popescu: thus believes this guy actually has
a billionty bitcoinz
mircea_popescu: buffett has
a dim understanding of taint and blockchain and doesn't read the forum
midnightmagic: it's impossible, he doesn't have sole signing authority of
a multisig.
mircea_popescu: not meaning by this he is
a scammer, i still think he's an idiot
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic im just saying, if i were
a scammer trying to part some fiat ivnestors from their money, i'd do the exact thing he's doing.
mircea_popescu: sending to 1Fx3N5iFPDQxUKhhmDJqCMmi3U8Y7gSncx and then withdrawing has the certain advantage that you're actually in
a pool of 10's of k's of btc,
midnightmagic: well, in that case, at the very least, there's
a trust thing which can't be cryptographically avoided, unless you are doing multisig similar to what gmaxwell is.
mircea_popescu: i know nothing at all. you can create
a gpg sig right now as 34jk5hty895ytg9g4t
midnightmagic: We go to your house with
a large lead pipe and start hitting you with it until you tell us.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: It is cryptographically secure; and, actually, gmaxwell is taking
a bit of
a risk doing it.
mircea_popescu: yeah. like, for instance, privately convincing some naive people with
a lot of money that you matter.
mircea_popescu: o, that thing where he's trying to create
a trail showing himself to be rich ?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu:
A little while ago, dub was saying he doesn't understand gmaxwell's mixer thing. It's not really
a mixer, it's guaranteed to be essentially impossible to disentangle those sorts of transactions due to the fungibility of bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: smickles sounds like
a plan. now we know what's with all the cctv
smickles: mircea_popescu: then we could structure it in
a way that we have people in situations where the might likely have sex without being prompted, it would make it larger, take longer and be more expensive
mircea_popescu: Zimbabwe, the country that's home to some of the world's largest platinum and diamond reserves, literally has the same financial standing as
a 14-year-old girl after
a really good birthday party.
smickles: you'd have to have
a large enough set of subjects
smickles: we could probably setup
a double blind crossover trial
smickles: 10 btc, It's probably just
a coincidence that it's high heels, could've been converse allstars
smickles: mircea_popescu: if women fuck better in highheels, I'm willing to bet that it's just
a (possibly localized) social phenomenon
DeadWeasel: can't run
a country on volatility like this. maybe later.
mircea_popescu: i'd imagine at
a bare minimum there should be 50% coverage which would put the volume in the 100k range per month or somrthing
markedathome: doesn't really matter, you could make any sequence of chars out of something if you look hard enough. took me
a while to get smpoe
mircea_popescu: markedathome I seriously have played
a grand total of maybe 3 btc on s.dice.