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assbot: Loper OS » Where Lisp Fails: at Turning People into Fungible Cogs. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qx0oB9 )
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu broadcast sent !
danielpbarron: heh, also tonight i learned that you do not want to squeeze a kiwi, but I have not yet ruled out muddling
danielpbarron: and to my surprise the quarter orange i decided to go with is not overpowered by the whole grapefruit or the half lime/lemon
danielpbarron is now trying his first attempt at a sort-of cantarina (sort-of because apparently it's supposed to have club soda, although I'm not sure if that's a requirement, or if a side-effect of most bars not having fresh grapefruit and use a grapefruit flavored soda instead)
danielpbarron: ty ty
adlai: danielpbarron: congratulations on getting the round tuit!
shinohai: I am guaranteed kinky sex tonight when gf gets here and tastes it.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 23:08:49; shinohai: https://forum.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-discussion/segwit-forked-unexpectedly-on-testnet-t6111.html <<< top kek
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2016#1422228 << they were using incompatible versions on the same network... what can be expected ☝︎
adlai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/97d7825e-3517-4ac0-b378-1d887d50b4d2/?raw=true
shinohai: I was at the liquor store and was like "Hey danielpbarron made a blog post about some drink today, lemme try that!"
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> this having a blog thing is pretty sweet; wish I started it sooner! << HA!
shinohai: I am trying your drink recipe tonight danielpbarron I think I got everything I needed.
danielpbarron: started with the impulse to post something on twatter, pasted it into a draft instead, and expanded from there.
danielpbarron: this having a blog thing is pretty sweet; wish I started it sooner! I got a finished article in the hopper, and a stub still to be fleshed out.
asciilifeform: i could've sworn we had a thread.
asciilifeform: is this a p450 thing ?
mircea_popescu: then one day you eat the wrong end of a lovage leaf and holy shit you're covered in hives.
mircea_popescu: one can have zona zooster by the pail in the system, nothing happens
asciilifeform: i think so.
asciilifeform: if so, why did he write gpg to begin with, as disinfo ?
mircea_popescu: you know... we aren't using this shit for a [number of] reasons.
asciilifeform: without checking. Just in case someone tries to build on an old
asciilifeform: http://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=gnupg.git;a=commit;h=6fafda979df8e7e117f8e6929bcce89513a6e746 << refuses to BUILD if dns is not available.
asciilifeform: ( he took it out in http://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=gnupg.git;a=commit;h=927f34603d942868af6a7bd0f347681bbad76a94 --- and then put back !! )
trinque: mircea_popescu: I see the malice in the act, but am commenting on the pervasiveness of propaganda such that malicious acts can be projected through many obedient, subservient nodes
asciilifeform: anyway i have a fat bag of this horror
mircea_popescu: feel free to qntra, all the lulz.
mircea_popescu: nobody ever did or ever would do this combo except deliberately and for this reason.
assbot: SegWit forked unexpectedly on testnet - The Bitcoin Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qrhyiv )
shinohai: https://forum.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-discussion/segwit-forked-unexpectedly-on-testnet-t6111.html <<< top kek ☟︎
mircea_popescu: trinque no, this is certainly malicious to the hilt.
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 03:25:08; mircea_popescu: this is like asking wyatt earp "how do you distinguish between the f brothers and stray dog"
trinque: most people are and have always been followers; it is the leaders who are the problem
asciilifeform: trinque: what is the point of attempting this distinction?
mircea_popescu: may the historians long name you for it.
asciilifeform: but imho i found the '2nd law of thermo' in re bitcoin- the nothing-for-showing-up principle.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> ~nobody wants to admit << nobody wants to admit except for the guy that's been saying it for years. yeh!
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> perhaps i had everything backwards << which is exactly my metapoint here. for as long as such can occur, it is CLEAR we don't have the perimeter of this thing yet.
trinque: who can discern malicious actor from useful idiot in this sea of shit
trinque: This feature is independent of --use-tor and automagically uses Tor if available. << wahahahahaha
asciilifeform: ~nobody wants to admit, but ~the~ mega-problem of bitcoin is... that it is FAR too accessible.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: now that's a thought-provoker.
asciilifeform: perhaps i had everything backwards.. possibly, being able to transact ~without~ mining, is the bug. not mining...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would be interesting if a valid addr could only come to exist with a coinbase formation !
asciilifeform: http://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=gnupg.git;a=log << check out the claptrap.
BingoBoingo: Ah, but that would be the lesser Bingo review of Robocop. What do you think authors are, fungible?
BingoBoingo: Shame, the #b-a canon it poorer for it.
BingoBoingo: But did you write it up on Trilema when you were 9?
mircea_popescu: i loved that when i was... i dunno, 9 ?
BingoBoingo still awaits mp's Trilema review of the Verhoeven masterpiece Robocop
BingoBoingo: Since you submitted this I expect you to resumbit better this.
BingoBoingo: I know that's why now you gotta practiced.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Mebbe bring an actual pathogen into the discussion so as to contrast this herpajerk
mircea_popescu: hard to beat.
mircea_popescu: yeah yeah, wanna-be the superimaginarium/illusionist except with very bad historic research.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: It's a lulzy thing, but it needs more of a hook
hanbot: buncha sepia-toned stage magician stuffs with typical christopher nolan over-foreboding.
mircea_popescu: oh the one with blondy whats her face ?
hanbot: you know, where they got david bowie to play tesla.
mircea_popescu: which one was this ?!
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Rewrite with an emphasis on how stupid everyone involved in this has to be for this shit to have even been uttered.
asciilifeform: you can sorta guess the rest.
asciilifeform: aha. my design, for instance, had tx-as-integer
mircea_popescu: if shit just falls on the ground and you try to pretend it's art, on the other hand...
asciilifeform: pow to make addr?
mircea_popescu: so that someone asking for a payment to address x already has skin in the game - whatever it cost him to make the address.
mircea_popescu: not "why is it chained liek so ?" "uhhhh... [spittle dribbling]" as is currently the case.
mircea_popescu: at least on this design the problem is sanely approacheable - make address creation REASONABLY expensive, for SANE, DEFINED, PROTOCOL reasons.
asciilifeform: as we have it, comparing 2 tx is.. undecidable.
asciilifeform: but verily, s put the turingcompleteness in the ONE place it least belonged, the tx processor.
asciilifeform: can still transmit 'x -> y' and 'x -> q'
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 21:19:30; mircea_popescu: for instance (and plox, before we run off with it - example only!) : if every tx was defined as "only 1 input - only 1 output" and if you wanted to make a larger payment youy'd have to make MULTIPLE txn, then a) the protocol would actually make a lot more sense, atomicity-wise and b) you wouldn't have the problems jurov describes. because pay x to y with fee z would exist EXACTLY one way.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2016#1422109 << btw this doesn't cure doublespends. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Then just resubmit, haven't opened it yet.
shinohai: actually, two
asciilifeform: i have nfi whether they make good pets tho
shinohai: Just realized I had a misspelling in that dpaste I sent BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: they don't make ~fat~ gurlz here. but they do make shorties.
mircea_popescu: go to teh provinces.
mircea_popescu: if you're not picky about tall, you can prolly have brides for the feeding.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Do two or three brides for a container of thistle seed is possibru?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun think they even ~make~ non-hot gurlz in ar
deedbot-: [Qntra] Hold on to your butts – Argentina is going on sale. - http://qntra.net/2016/03/hold-on-to-your-butts-argentina-is-going-on-sale/
mircea_popescu: heck, i usually forget two.
mircea_popescu: im not even sure I know which! there's too many. and the bitch with things like these is you always forget one.
asciilifeform: i suspect that we all here know which.
mircea_popescu: and derpy arguments "won" with me over the particular brokedness of the prototype implementation are roughly the same value and consistency as used toiletpaper.
mircea_popescu: i just put that there to generally and pars pro toto show that when i say bitcoin is a steaming pile of shit, and broadly an undesigned kludge i mean very specific things.
asciilifeform: like castle title.
mircea_popescu: because unlike shitforbrainsatosi stuff, they make sense.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform none of that.
mircea_popescu: (yes i'm aware that the above example allows no payments other than in multiples of 50 btc for a while, then multiples of 25, and EVENTUALLY in sasothis. MIND YOU that this is a feature and what you are using now a bug - da fuck do you do when the coinbase is split up in all the satoshis it could be ? ha ? oh, "works for you as it is" ? ty.)
asciilifeform: it still isn't '1 way' - sig nonce, timestamp, scriptolade...
mircea_popescu: they don't have to be.
asciilifeform: bitstrings are 'dupable' by nature, bitcoin's whole purpose is to hack around this, to the extent physically possible, like a ship is a hack around the sea
mircea_popescu: for instance (and plox, before we run off with it - example only!) : if every tx was defined as "only 1 input - only 1 output" and if you wanted to make a larger payment youy'd have to make MULTIPLE txn, then a) the protocol would actually make a lot more sense, atomicity-wise and b) you wouldn't have the problems jurov describes. because pay x to y with fee z would exist EXACTLY one way. ☟︎
asciilifeform: what's this mean
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 21:16:20; mircea_popescu: the problem ~MAY~ be that bitcoin transactions are dupe-able in the first place, for instance.\