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mircea_popescu: might as well demand trump learns a foreign language.
mircea_popescu: i suppose to be cracked the same way all of them get cracked - guy with immense downlist and very well connected gets off his lazy, stupid fiat-ass and goes through the wot selection process. then has enough spots specific and high level enough to interest the locals. seems a tall order. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: that seems workable on the surface - until you realise that the one thing being here promises is that those people won't generally WANT to work for $cubefarm.
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only way he could have made economic sense was by marketing the spare cycles of well connected people here - outside. ☟︎
fluffypony: yeah, seemed a colossal waste of time in the end
mircea_popescu: when s.mg needed a tech hand diana_coman got it ; the job wasn't on the market nor would s.mg have continued had the job had to go to the market.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony tbh i did spend some time thinking about it - then. i don't see how what he was trying to do could have worked. why the everloving would someone here eschew the benefit of the wot and "hire someone to hire" for you ?
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Azelphur: At least, the above is what I was told by one of his supposed clients
Azelphur: something like that, only minus the team I guess?
mircea_popescu: is this basically one of those freelancer coder teams thing ?
Azelphur: I worked for him for a little over a year, he stopped paying me, now I hear he's taking web dev work and telling clients I'm working on their projects...I quit back in December and have no knowledge of said projects
mircea_popescu: a while back, yeah. don't think it worked out too well in the end.
Azelphur: fluffypony: that's the one
fluffypony: wasn't he the headhunter trying to hire staff for everyone?
Azelphur: just thought it might amuse you, gone from bad to worse :)
mircea_popescu: been longer than that afaik.
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mircea_popescu: about the RagnarDanneskjol fellow ? i have no idea what he does tbh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : "> This last post from you indicates clearly that your horizon is limited and you are allergic to new ideas and cannot bring facts and rationale to your statements. Pray tell, just what are the “new” ideas in Clojure? The idea of setting up an ersatz Lisp on top of the JVM is not the least bit new. Neither is immutable data." << readily the best bit in there. and it is pretty good as it is.
mircea_popescu: ^ can start there JBBetter
mircea_popescu: well, for that you'll have to get into the wot, establish yourself, read the logs for a while...
JBBetter: right, would want to go into pm or private room
mircea_popescu: ok, but that's not very specific is it ?
JBBetter: ok, hopefully can message me. Want to discuss about the platform
JBBetter: Are there developers in here for bitbet.us?
asciilifeform: 'if yer so smart, why aintcha rich!' 'paulgraham hates you, the gods forsake you'
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asciilifeform: also i will note, it is somewhat more difficult to bludgeon morons as a dervish, than from a dirigible.
asciilifeform: what, then ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand, "confronting tghe offender with the inconsistency of his own view ~in his own terms~" does not at all mean "geting him to stop being an idiot". not in any sense.
mircea_popescu: ah, but that's besides the point.
asciilifeform: i tried this often, but was never really good at it.
mircea_popescu: yes, your dismissal of dear luc is, by some sort of exterior standard, correct. this is not the same as confronting the offender with the inconsistency of his own view ~in his own terms~, which is what i had in mind.
mircea_popescu: eventually, all the poor turtle got out of the monstrous party was one salad leaf.
mircea_popescu: the lion brought it meat. the bear, honey.
mircea_popescu: all its friends in the forest brought it gifts. items that they themselves would have preferred.
mircea_popescu: one day, it was the turtle's birthday.
mircea_popescu: let me tell you a story.
asciilifeform: and if not this, then i prolly don't even rightfully apprehend what mircea_popescu had in mind
mircea_popescu: "Dear Luc prefontaine, > Your last post shows how little you know about Clojure. Your arguments show how little experience (or memory thereof) you have with genuine, interactive, conceptually-consistent Lisp systems."
assbot: Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0tbIX )
mircea_popescu: you probably realise already that once the reference has to be "whole thread" i win.
assbot: Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0t4wU )
asciilifeform: e.g., http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=2#comment-3256 , whole thread?
mircea_popescu: no, link me to an exemplary case of jugular.
assbot: Loper OS » Of Weighty Matters, or Thumbs Still Down for Clojure. ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0sY8C )
asciilifeform: and those of sequel
mircea_popescu: well, thjat's the fate of the web generally.
asciilifeform: my www gets surprising traffic, naturally to no apparently useful end
mircea_popescu: anyway, my takeaway from that is that 2012 alfie does not yet know how to go for the jugular of idiots. just identifies things to be angry about, gets angry about them and flails.
assbot: Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0sz64 )
asciilifeform: (might have to click page to see it)
mircea_popescu goes to read
asciilifeform: immortal thread.
assbot: Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0s63V )
mircea_popescu: !up tcrypt
mircea_popescu: yeah but trilema is larger than verge for traffic, not quite the same.
mircea_popescu: it's actually rare that something penned the current month is the top read item.
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many wwwtrons the same size actually have this phenomena, where 3 yo article tops the charts. happens to me rather frequently.
assbot: And Gavin moves on to the dark side. The Bitcoin project is officially hijacked on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvB8Kx )
mircea_popescu: amuysingly, trilema's most read item this month is http://trilema.com/2013/and-gavin-moves-on-to-the-dark-side-the-bitcoin-project-is-officially-hijacked/
asciilifeform: but this latter thing exists in the way nuke power existed in '44.
asciilifeform: now this, yes!
mircea_popescu: ALSO for the job of rescuing children, "social media", or rather, the social media facade of b-a works better than iq.
mircea_popescu: it only ever worked like that "fairness" thing, what was the short story ?
mircea_popescu: "find the children that, on their own strength, may see through the idiocy and give them really heavy stones to lift so they don't".
asciilifeform: but also 'find the children worth rescuing from the shitpits'
mircea_popescu: thing is, social media does a better job of this.
asciilifeform: a difficult, thankless job, that is becoming usg-illegal, for decades , slowly
mircea_popescu: useful in the 60s or w/e, "find the gomer pyles before gunnery sgt gets shot".
asciilifeform: thing is, they actually do a job.
mircea_popescu: yeah, there's that.
asciilifeform: not these.
asciilifeform: most lysenkos spam aggressively tho
mircea_popescu: anyway, while we differ on what we color iq-ism in, or what you eventually expect it to do, i don't think there's actual disagreement as to what it does.
mircea_popescu: yeah. pseudoscience does that.
asciilifeform: ~because~ : computer - NEVER HAPPEND there.
asciilifeform: it is in some respects easier to find nsa material
asciilifeform: (of test-makers)
asciilifeform: incidentally, do you have any idea how idiotically SECRETIVE the community is ?
asciilifeform: i once spent several months trying to devise a machine-generatable test that ~could~.
asciilifeform: it isn't a breakage. iq does not test the 'rng' (eysenck's 'psychoticism')
asciilifeform: like trained dog.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even that reliably. savant still stupid. it DID work to destroy any usable (by us) notion of stupidity, as far as the harpy wailchorus is concerned.
trinque: we've been and will be bolting things to ourselves for far longer than understanding how we're capable of using them
mircea_popescu: trinque you familiar with the pigeon rewiring experiments ?
trinque: point was the exact opposite
trinque: +asciilifeform | but the 'brain learns' thing is pure nonexplanatory obscuratronium. << what, you thought I was satisfied with "learns" as a complete description?
mircea_popescu: heck, the iq nonsense EVEN EXISTS because people get antsy and prefer to pretend.
asciilifeform: and in the latter case - don't
mircea_popescu: i can formulate the flight equivalent of iq ; you can not formulate the cognitive equivalent of energy.
mircea_popescu: fine, have it. we still understand flight to a larger degree than cognition.
mircea_popescu: so you're hanging your argument on turbulent flow ?
asciilifeform: computer, as i like to point out, very much is a boeing with feathers.
asciilifeform: the feathers, if you will, from the boeing.
asciilifeform: i would say that we ~understand~ a thing if we can fully separate the ~accidental~ complexity of it from the ~essential~.
mircea_popescu: the general complexity of the cell is perhaps the chief lie of popular conception of biology. "oh yeah, nucleus, cytoplasm, yeah i recall". you recall my left foot. golgi apparatus. a whole set of vacuoles. the nucleus has a membrane in layers. there's dozens of different items in there we don't even fully enumerate - and your understanding isn't good enough to stand for the mithocondria, which, incidentally, also has
mircea_popescu: what 'explain' ? there aren't the terms in which the explanation would be made.
mircea_popescu: described to any degree and moving electric impulses back and forth".