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mircea_popescu: Namjies when did you buy these ? (i presume you actually have some ?)
mircea_popescu: heh. i don't think you can get that much mileage out of this.
Namjies: I'd consider it a breach of contract. Being on the receiving end of that contract, any undefined situation should be treated in my favor unless a conditional clause goes against that.
mircea_popescu: i'd be much surprised if the entire series is actually worth 300 btc right now.
mircea_popescu: which, because of it's nature, imposes a cost on my part, which isn't trivial, cause i have to put lawyers at work.
smickles: i dunno, mircea_popescu it is a little shocking that you arn't trying to recover the value there
mircea_popescu: and if tomorrow gigavps comes up with a 10x dividend payment if i sleep with him, irrespective of what you may think my duty is, i ain't sleeping with him either.
mircea_popescu: no, i'm not.
mircea_popescu: there you go. did i receive revenue i've not distributed ?
mircea_popescu: what can i tell you.
Namjies: I'm not imagining it, it's what the ETF claims.
smickles: I can haz file number ? :D
mircea_popescu: the bonds ain't worth 8k, so i'm shrugging.
mircea_popescu: the practical options are either i spend something which on a rough estimate is about 8k to get the thing thoroughly looked into,
mircea_popescu: Namjies : i'm not doing affidavits as a proxy for anyone just cause you figure i should.
mircea_popescu: i guess i could do that, but then i'd have to make shareholders pay the difference somehow.
smickles: btw, i'm still waiting on my llc docs :(
mircea_popescu: i don't see it has anything to do with gigavps.
mircea_popescu: do you see in that context how i'd just shrug ?
mircea_popescu: depends how contracts are made out, but i'd expect mpex-share derivatives to die there yes
mircea_popescu: i don't think you get to randomly create an imaginary vehicle just because the actual vehicle imploded.
smickles: I have an idea, but at a low confidence interval
Namjies: I am unsure why the claim would not be made.
Namjies: Glad to know I'm not the only one which doesn't bother.
mircea_popescu: i've never heard of anything more ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: i guess they're mostly linden
mircea_popescu: i wasn't even aware they existed last year.
mircea_popescu: i saw someone publish a list
smickles: I can't imagine this giga issue would require anything above the 'inked rubber stamp' variety tho
mircea_popescu: smickles i'd guess it's anywhere from free to 50 or so euros here
smickles: "I wrote earlier “That characteristic being that early adopters are benifited greater than the latecomers. But this can be said of any appreciating asset.” in reference to the only submitted evidence for Bitcoin being anything near a ponzi scheme in the statements citations.
PsychoticBoy: I am almost at the point to invest another 2k btc in giga
jcpham: but what do i know
jcpham: i doubt gigavps is scammy
jcpham: can i tera-mine yet?
jcpham: gigavpa i owned like over 9000 gigamining bonds
PsychoticBoy: I did not need an ID to buy from you so I wont need it now
PsychoticBoy: I will let the staff of bitcointalk vote for you to be marked as scammer before making a public scammer tag request, cause these requirements make no sense at all
smickles: i know a few accountants who offer it at no charge
PsychoticBoy: I wait till you get back to your senses and pay just like its meant to be
PsychoticBoy: I can pay 2k on tor to hunt you down but I wont
gigavps: i'm sorry you feel this way
gigavps: i am trying to pay people legally
PsychoticBoy: gigavps, should I copy paste all I said
mircea_popescu: i wonder if that could work as an entropy source
smickles: he hawa all coy, like, "i won't tell you how I was betting"
gigavps: PsychoticBoy if you would like to say things about me, say them when I'm here
matthewh3: plus I'd only ever use a Windoze PC that is locked down like in a library.
matthewh3: but when I log-in its HTTPS so my password is safe.
matthewh3: I use Gmail with a very secure password.
matthewh3: I'm moving RSM to - https://btct.co - they email the asset issuer a full shareholders list every twelve hours. So no problem if the exchange ever goes dark. There based in Belize and have a lawyer.
mircea_popescu: i guess there's White Collar Crimes in there too.
PsychoticBoy: I think so too mircea
mircea_popescu: PsychoticBoy i'll bet you a btc he won't.
smickles: "What I don't understand is why S.DICE is going to IPO on this penny-ante exchange instead of GLBSE. I think that Mr. E.V.'s ideological fetishes might be putting the business sensibilities in the back seat. Which is dangerous for investors."
PsychoticBoy: thats what i think, He covers his ass and does not pay shit, << scammer action
PsychoticBoy: before asking a scammer tag i n public, I will make a thread in the staff forum and let the staff vote
PsychoticBoy: Thats what I would do, PAY MY DEBT
PsychoticBoy: I have 300btc in yabmc and more than 500 btc in Giga
JWU42: So if YABMC were to follow a similar claims process then I egt a scammer tag too ;)
smickles: according to my log, i started with about 100 'unique' visitors, and it has been doubling every day since
mircea_popescu: anyway, i think someone sorta-competent bought a chunk of bitfinex interest or some sort of deal
smickles: mircea_popescu: heh, yeah. a part of me responded with BS, and another part wanted to respond with "well, I put it that way because it was just a little sensational"
mircea_popescu: smickles : "There were no "suspicious" motives involved here. I would have gladly thrown in MPEX had I remembered that it has BTC options available. That's it. I just overlooked you. I'm sorry. (And by the way it's fixed now)"
sgornick: i.e., lots of need for these, as we decide technology can enable what the law won't.
smickles: I just asked it
mircea_popescu: so who was saying i'm in for a loads of pressure from the sec ?
mircea_popescu: I think part of the problem is that we’re looking at it from two different viewpoints. I’m looking for what’s going to help the Wikipedia article, and others are looking for what’s going to help the subject itself, Bitcoin.
smickles: can someone take a look at my first paragraph here http://blog.smickles.com/bitcoin/the-ponzi-of-wikipedia-and-bitcoin/#comment-12 and tell me if i'm making sense, if I am, i will bring it to the discussion in the bitcoin wikipedia page
PsychoticBoy: yep thats w\hat i mean ;)
PsychoticBoy: I can pay, thats not the point, Its the whole ¨its not my responsibility anymore go to my lawyer¨ thing that stings me
PsychoticBoy: I go prodeo
PsychoticBoy: I will take ABM/PGM to a lawyer too, send info or never get paid mwuhahaha
Ukto: I concur, giga has or will be paying quite a bit for them to handle the volume
pigeons: "and if i i ever give advice like the law student nefario met in a sandwich shop, i will step down"
mircea_popescu: "as a lawyer, I hereby promise to be a lawyer and behave accordingly to the rules. if I don't, with or without this useless declaration I am still held liable"
gigavps: i haven't been looking forward to this
PsychoticBoy: in short I will not send ID, proof of residence or anything
PsychoticBoy: whats up with that mail I recieved
mircea_popescu: (for once i don't mean about you, i mean about bitcoin in general)
mircea_popescu: but i admire the drive to do things properly for once.
Ukto: I need to double check some things
Ukto: in the end, I will let anyone attempt to create an asset, and write it up. I will personally decide weather to greenlight it or not.
mircea_popescu: yaya i know.
Diablo-D3: since no interest is paid, I dont have to worry about that blowing up because some exchange went south
Diablo-D3: Ukto: so I think it'd work
Diablo-D3: Ukto: what I was thinking was this
Diablo-D3: I could issue them across multiple exchanges I think
Diablo-D3: well, if I launch DMC 2.0, thats the way I want to go with funding I think
Ukto: until I come up with a plan for it
Ukto: so I did it, in a fashionable way.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i just looked. your thing is something more like that btcjam disaster than straight exchange
Ukto: so I avoid them like the plague
Ukto: I cant stand forums
mircea_popescu: i'm backlogged.
mircea_popescu: well i didn't dig that deep ukto
Ukto: I saw one the other day that was ahorrid green color
sgornick: Cool, I'll PM jurov.
mircea_popescu: i don't see why not tho ?
mircea_popescu: actually i dunno