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smickles: heh, well, it sounds workable, but i'm an accountant, you might want to ask a lawyer/underwriter for advice
Diablo-D3: what I want to do is OID coupon non-callable corporate bonds
Diablo-D3: so I dont want to go that route again
Diablo-D3: shares like I had with DMC were a complete failure
smickles: I don't think so Diablo-D3
Diablo-D3: were you here when I was talking about DMC 2.0?
mircea_popescu: i would hope so
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: heh, I dont even write about dmc on my blog
Diablo-D3: I should write for it more but meh
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 i didn;'t know you had a blog
Diablo-D3: yeah but I dont know how he ran his assets
Namjies: I forgot about that.
Diablo-D3: yup, I recieved 4 payments from my glbse address
Diablo-D3: he also knows I have a blog
Namjies: I'm just assuming he was putting an "OK" check on anyone who sent back a double-payment.
Namjies: I meant I doubt he manually generated them*
Namjies: Is what I mean.
Namjies: I doubt he automatically generated them.
Diablo-D3: and even if I was, wouldnt nefario have emailed me?
Diablo-D3: problem is, I was never double paid
Namjies: Technically, I can't make the difference between shares owned in each account. They're aggregated as one in my list.
Namjies: That could explain the screw up. The only asset list I know I'm included on is my own lists.
Namjies: mircea_popescu, I think I'm noticing a trend.
gigavps: i guess this is to be expected
gigavps: hmmm, i feel like he's trying to stir the pot
gigavps: and i did not know he was a glbse shareholder
jurov: i enjoy finding such bugs
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what they do buyt i hope it fails miserably.
dub: I like to draw them where I can
smickles: Ukto: i was talking about s.dice tho
mircea_popescu: i guess he didn't have time
smickles: no shareholder info here yet for the two things i expect to get it for
jurov: i allow for few satoshi loss
Namjies: Eh, either way, I'm off for bit.
Namjies: As someone posted recently somewhere on OTC I think: http://innerslacker.com/images/argue091204.jpg
Namjies: I argued a bit too much maybe.
Namjies: I know who you're referring to...
Namjies: Ah yes... well I suppose someone making an agreement he cannot honor afterward (for whichever reasons, even if forced not to honor it) could be considered as a scam, somehow...
mircea_popescu: oh i see
mircea_popescu: no ? i still see 20 eur/btc
EskimoBob: I have more pictures from different angle
mircea_popescu: or maybe i am one of those for whom lawyers usually work.
EskimoBob: I love the idea but I do not see (at the moment) how it can help
Diablo-D3: because I'd need like 1 million BTC.
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: I think that's a good idea, unless you actually need 10K
Diablo-D3: the only thing that I can figure out that works is like 5 or 10 year OID non-callable bond
Diablo-D3: I want something that actually works for investing and isnt a fucking failtrain like every exchange ever
gigavps: i'm trying to pay people, not sure what else there is to say
gigavps: what do i need to chime in on?
gigavps: i've already talked with one of them and they aren't even on the list
Chaang-Noi: i wonder the IQ level of the average bitcoiner at times...
Chaang-Noi: i do understand about the apostile thing... i cant do that in thailand, we dont have them :/
Chaang-Noi: i wonder if giga might be getting himself into more trouble by trying to help
Chaang-Noi: giga is not a victim in my mind, only the people who trusted nefario, if i was giga i would say, im not a broker, glbse was, go deal with them...
copumpkin: I wouldn't say trust is as much of an issue. The thing about a perpetuity is that the later payments are effectively meaningless
EskimoBob: become a UK , have a queen and I'll trust your perpetual bonds. everyone else can fuck off :)
Diablo-D3: I dont want a perpetual bond, they dont fucking work
Diablo-D3: non-callable just means I cant pay the bond out early at a reduced payment
EskimoBob: copumpkin: I know I just messed up
EskimoBob: sorry, my bad, when i sayd callable I meant you buy them back on date X (date of maturity) - opposite to perpetual
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: ie, a 5 year bond, at any point after those 5 years someone can show up with a bond and I have to pay out on it
Diablo-D3: the only difference is I cant do it early at my choice
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: yes, but a non-callable bond means I _must_ buy it back at that date.
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: because I want you asa issuer to show that you will call (buy) your bonds back at date X - means you will manage the funds so you will have the available coin to do so
EskimoBob: Oh, btw, i made another cool and dark, bit rusty looking BTC mug
gigavps: EskimoBob if i pay someone i shouldn't have, i need legal recourse, especially if this comes to light when btc is $1000/coin
Diablo-D3: I want as little bullshit as possible
Ukto: EskimoBob: I just wanted to say Hi. :P
EskimoBob: you know I do not like that non-callable stuff at all
EskimoBob: oh that one, sorry, I missed it :)
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: did you send me PM? I must be missing somethimng
Diablo-D3: I just want your fucking opinion
gigavps: EskimoBob that is exactly what i am doing
Ukto: I have my own extensive experience with lawyers and crap. just curious. :)
Ukto: otherwise really imho I dont think a lawyer is necessary
Ukto: EskimoBob: while I agree with you, its at least the proper 'legal' course of action. well, mainly if gigavps plans to sue glbse/nefario
mircea_popescu: Ukto i think it is. iirc he was taking claims to confirm his lists.
mircea_popescu: Ukto i have no ideea. is that namjies ?
gigavps: EskimoBob because i am now making payments, not glbse
gigavps: EskimoBob if i pay someone according to the list, and the list is not correct, i'm still on the hook to pay them
Ukto: gigavps: I have not had a chance to look into things yet for shares, but what about ppl who havent done their taxes in a while?
Ukto: mircea_popescu: I have already made statements on my personal expereince with Nefario's competency.
Diablo-D3: Ukto: I feel trollish every day, so /me shrugs
Ukto: Diablo-D3: I feel trollish today :/ Prolly didnt get enough sleep
gigavps: EskimoBob the ONLY think i am trying to do is to pay ppl
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: were you here when I was talking about what I wanted to do with dmc 2.0?
EskimoBob: before i obviously realized that perpetual bonds are losers :)
gigavps: EskimoBob what should i do when people make claims that are not of nefario's list?
gigavps: EskimoBob how can i trust nefario to give me a proper list?
EskimoBob: I did and I sold after I realized you can not be trusted. I think we have talked about it
EskimoBob: but I can prove it's me who owns the shares
EskimoBob: I men we can do it with a md5 has and be done with . You never have to know my e-mail address
mircea_popescu: if by oct 6th everyone had that in their mailbox i could totally see your pov.
EskimoBob: how did I know that trades really happened in GLBSE, how do I know that sky is blue... blaa blaa blaa
mircea_popescu: look, i understand the cui prodest approach. it's fine, nothing wrong with it.
EskimoBob: i do not think so. He probably gor incomplete list because some did not send the double payment back
mircea_popescu: in retrospect it was a bad move. what can i tell you.
mircea_popescu: i guess it'd be no problem right about now.
EskimoBob: for some reason I think that he made it up and asked some slimeball to write that letter
Diablo-D3: Yup, still where I left it.