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asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817124 << douchebag , this only seems like 'big bux' to a young fella. and yes you can be a salary man and your salary will go up 4x in 10 yrs; but your living expenses, they will go up 5x. and they will keep going up when salary plateaus, and the rent is still due when you are between slave galleys, and rowing on a galley just fundamentally sucks arse regardless of how many green candy wrappers the ☝︎
mircea_popescu: these will have to be converted into a useful form, but fitting this up can be done during your scan, which will take weeks anyway.
mircea_popescu: there's a numbert of things here. one is, get a settlement with trinque. the second is, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816875. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: douchebag, it helps immensely to have a pile of money lying about. you never know what you have to pay for ; and you don't want to have to take a job.
douchebag: Could you elaborate on a) build yourself a nest egg?
mircea_popescu: the correct approach is to a) build yourself a nest egg and b) start up.
mircea_popescu: moreover, i'm a great supported of incremental progress.
mircea_popescu: hey, looky, i'm not saying you can't do better for yourself with a few simple tweaks, without requiring revolutionary, massive changes.
douchebag: It's really easy to think I need a job change, when I made more in 30 minutes of bug bounty hunting last week than I do in three weeks from my current job after tax
douchebag: Not to mention, I'm only making $35k/yr and I work 60 hours a week ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but i also do not see anything fundamentally wrong with you holding this view until changed a few hookers.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 23:09 douchebag: I just want to have a job that I can enjoy doing. The reason I don't enjoy my current job is because it doesn't require any critical thinking, and in fact is discourages it. I would have a great time hacking companies and telling them how to fix their security.
douchebag: For fucks sake, I know a 17 year old who has made $70k this year alone ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and which also illuminates the indictment of xtianity as a fundamentally female worldview, and all the rest of http://trilema.com/2017/and-dont-go-around-upgrading-the-testaments-either/ : by the time they invent a "son" of god so that "You don't follow for a very simple reason : these men are screwballs. God has children ? What, and a dog ? A collie, maybe ? God doesn't have children. He's a bachelor. And very angry!" "He us
mircea_popescu: there being a difference between the hunter that catches some quarry and the bear that catches the same exact quarry : the bear -- is not a hunter. which goes right into the lengthy strand of http://trilema.com/2015/peripateticists-kinda-except-girls-not-boys-bare-cunt-instead-of-toga-and-walking-around-the-house-not-the-garden-but-otherwise-exactly-the-same/#selection-571.0-570.1 spittoon.
mircea_popescu: ural not a civilisational aspect, and not immediately measurable.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1817082 >> no, actually. most women want to http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-133.57-133.334 ; which is the point of diana_coman 's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816974 comment (not that she's a woman ; but it's not clear to her whether your worldview is womanly in this sense). note importantly that the objection is ~re the source of meaning~, which is a cult ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the problem with you isdn't that you lack useful experience, but that you lack any apparent clue in how to communicate it effectually. when dealing with people who are both a) unsurprised and b) well structured, they can sometimes, if within the effort cap they're willing to expend, break up the content out of its very unfortunate prison of form. but otherwise, the communication fails to occur, and especially a
asciilifeform: momentarily revisiting douchebag : 5yrs ago asciilifeform suffered from same fog, thought there was ( or at least could be ) such a thing as 'security company' , or 'make a living finding bugs', etc., even went and opened up a thing, with coupla other d00dz, and we had an actual working piece of tech, BUT no friends in nomenklatura, and -- quite predictably -- it ended with nothing to show but empty pockets and old faded stationary.
phf: man spent his old age lending his presence to all kinds of experimental projects, all of which a remembered only through "burroughs once stopped by our studio"
mircea_popescu: there's a school in the modern phrenology that calls itself "physchology" relating high testosterone with aggressive behaviour and larger penii.
douchebag: I'm also not a rapist
douchebag: I don't have a small penis
mircea_popescu: funny thing, this dude, who had more sex than ~anyone in california (50+ rapes, srsly ? 1 in 1000 males or less do 50 different girls over their lifetime) nevertheless had a small penis.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at this point it is safe to suppose that usg has biophuctor coverage of erryone in nato reich, and a good % -- outside.
douchebag: Well, I just don't see why it's a bad thing to want to do something I enjoy and be good at it.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform not so long ago read a treatise on psychology of india, by a 1880s british preacher. was interesting document, but in particular author is astonished re the dedication to work, and to the utterly meaningless drudgery, of the lowest castes. probably phf saw this even in modern india, when he went. and asciilifeform to some degree saw among some emigres in usa. douchebag you ain't from india, perchance ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yer not aspiring to be a saddles-and-bridles makin' craftsman, tho
douchebag: I just want to have a job that I can enjoy doing. The reason I don't enjoy my current job is because it doesn't require any critical thinking, and in fact is discourages it. I would have a great time hacking companies and telling them how to fix their security. ☟︎
asciilifeform: point being, the fact that d00d thinks that they can be meaningfully fulfilled , as a palpable, achievable thing, ~as usg jobsworth~, is astonishing, to me.
mircea_popescu: he means a job that 1. provides him with the physical necessities (physical dominance) and 2. with time-security (ie, not that he's fed now but that he can feed himself, permanently) and 3. with recognition (ie, that nubile women notice he got 1 and 2 and flock to him).
asciilifeform: ain't nobody about to pay a whore to self-fulfill, other than by happenstance.
asciilifeform: because it's a fried ice.
mircea_popescu: it is a legitimate desire, why not.
asciilifeform: i dun think i've ever seen it emitted by a d00d in earnest, vs on stage
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 22:32 douchebag: I want to work a fulfilling job where I know that I am actually providing a good service and giving customers a high quality security audit as well as high quality security products
asciilifeform: in practice there is such a thing as 'enuff coin to never work for a living again', and granted it comes with caveats , like for instance not being part of the snail of the bellcurve . but nevertheless it exists.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, this applies to a few thousands ; 250k takes you into top bracket anyway.
mircea_popescu: due to how the imperial tax regime works, a gift of a few %s of your current income may end up a net negative if it bumps your bracket, so you have the choice of either paying 15% of 100% or else 22% of 106%, the latter is worse even if 106% is more.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: point being that it ain't serious money, it will not buy a man freedom
asciilifeform: ( because that's what it is , to willingly keep a secret for microshit. leprous cock. )
asciilifeform: douchebag: i hold that it is impossible to sell exploits, and the NO ONE does it. what they do instead, is accept gifts of chocolate and flowers (aka 100s of k usd ) from usg agents, in exchange for keeping nsa vulns off the public forum for a few extra bonus months.
douchebag: asciilifeform: Well, if you're a vulnerability broker you're purchasing and selling exploits that have extremely high potential impact. I think it's safe to assume there's a high level of risk associated with holding
mircea_popescu: as it happens, mostly as a function of personal bias, ~everyone here with the exception of me assings value to engineering and no value to whoring. i tend to assign a value of about to cents to either, allowing for roundings.
mircea_popescu: neither this decision, nor the definitions of the terms involved, work as a matter of future projection. it's all in the past, the singer processes past experience one way, the engineer another way. that's all there is to it.
asciilifeform: douchebag: what makes you think you know what 'vulnerability broker' looks like ? or even that such a thing is even possible ?
mircea_popescu: douchebag, look, sooner or later you'll have to decide if you wish to be an engineer or a singer. it's one or the other, however you call them, the carpenter-or-whore dilemma.
douchebag: Now with that said, I think it would be a very interesting career being a vulnerability broker - however there are a lot more risks in terms of nations state attacks for that sort of stuff.
douchebag: asciilifeform: Well I get what you're saying, breaking a prng is an incredibly effective attack vector. However, I feel that most companies are more at risk of actually being hacked via less-elegant means
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, the anon-e-mouse thing is a reference to a cartoon serioes by alan moore.
douchebag: Equifax got pwned via a struts2 RCE
mircea_popescu: douchebag, it's not easy to construct a meaningful base for this comparison. how do you propose to count ?
asciilifeform: douchebag: what to you means 'owned' ? script kiddie on forum defaces crapple.com ? because this simply isn't interesting, to anyone here. the ONLY type of 'owned' worth caring about, is , e.g., natanz uranium centrifuge, destroyed by usg without firing a shot.
mircea_popescu: i suppose "mine owne eyes" is a tough nut to crack.
douchebag: mircea_popescu: I've seen very few cases of a company being pwned by a prng being broken, I see companies getting pwned via SQLi, RCE, XXE, IDOR all the time
mircea_popescu: douchebag, 99% of criminals hacking companies are working for a criminal organisation calling itself "the united states govewrnment", and 99% of the time their hacks include some rng-breaking component,.
deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2018/i-would-certainly-not-like-to-be-a-bit-of-your-plankton/ << Daniel P. Barron - I would certainly not like to be a bit of your plankton.
douchebag: mircea_popescu: It's not a commonly used attack by criminals working to hack companies to steal information. It's not difficult for nations state actors, however a criminal is not going to work breaking a prng when they can just use default credentials to pwn their network
diana_coman: sure; I'm exposing current image, not giving a rating
asciilifeform: chikatillo is every bit the godfearing loyal soldier of regime, as a street mugger is.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, in either case the determination is tather premature. what's the rush. if he's a boy he has time by definition.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'serial killer' is a saint, to the police state, supplies neverending flow of serfs eager to bend over and get arse searched, 'for security'
mircea_popescu: point in case, there are OVER A DOZEN serial killers active in california right now ; and nobody can be arsed to even know this.
douchebag: Well actually, I've found there are a lot of companies who actually do care about security. Primarily because they run bug bounty programs instead of sueing the fuck about anyone who points out their security flaws.
mircea_popescu: w enforcement is ever more a vacuous activity, consisting of a narrow few items. "found drugs in house / car" "found '''child pornography''' on computer / guy was holding a gun in the bank" etc. all that's still ongoing are tyhe "taskforces", driven by specific special interest groups, the "drugs", the "sex trafficking", the "money laundering" etc. in the 70s large cities stopped prosecuting breaking and entering, much like i
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816908 << i'll point something out, in the vein of the previous "tripartite idiocy" discussion : law enforcement consists of very minimal work, and even less useful work these days. you know those century-old complicated "murder investigations", with barry fitzgerald going "tis a heavy case" and so on ? NONE of that still exist ; the line-ups to pick up suspects are mostly gone, etcetera. la ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 06:31 mircea_popescu: aite, here : "does ubervu have a chance of ever being profitable ? absolutely never. there's complicated considerations involved, but principally determinant two : first, and absolutely unsurmountable, is that such products do not add any value, but are merely used in the way witches use crystal balls. exactly in the way. therefore, the more popular witches decide the brand of "best" crystal balls
asciilifeform: douchebag: absolutely NO usd-paying customers of the 'security industry' give HALF A SHIT about actual results. if you do not get this through your thick skull now, you can learn it on own skin later, it doesn't make much diff to asciilifeform , which one you choose.
asciilifeform: ( it isn't any seekrit that asciilifeform is , among other things, a burned-out veteran of 'b' , yrs past )
douchebag: I would be doing a more comprehensive audit, as well as telling them exactly what they need to do to actually be secure their company - even though my service would require more work for them it would be a betterend result for them
asciilifeform: dies of failed attempts at (a)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far it doesn't look to me like he's at risk of http://qntra.net/2018/05/us-kangaroo-court-issues-conviction-for-kidnapped-antivirus-operator/ , instead he's at risk of a) running 'the next mandiant' , and making 'million dollars', and thinking as result that he has something to do with 'security' or that the million is 'actual money' or, far more likely, b ) ending in sad , tall pile of hollywood-waitress-style bo
douchebag: Well, most security firms just run a scanner and tell companies to "update x install y to pass compliance"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816901 << understand, most of the "tasks" you'll get here, and for a long while, are principally useful to you, in that they get you to fix things about yourself, such as the foregoing. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, let me give you a little puzzler here. so, stanley wojtowicz, the guy that robbed a brooklyn bank to pay for lizzie eden's sex change operation but failed to produce any money this way, nevertheless got paid when sidney lumet made his film. he was paid, 1% of the net. what's wrong with this ?
douchebag: Installing security software that intercepts all traffic (even ssl traffic) on a windows server 2003 install made me cringe
douchebag: I want to work a fulfilling job where I know that I am actually providing a good service and giving customers a high quality security audit as well as high quality security products ☟︎
mircea_popescu: sounds like a terribly crummy job.
douchebag: asciilifeform: Well, the security firm I currently work for doesn't allow me to give customers actual advice on security. eg. "Hey maybe running windows server 2003 isn't a good idea for your company"
diana_coman: so your end goal is "to have a job"?
douchebag: Well I can, but I'd like to have a job doing it. Perhaps start a security firm someday
asciilifeform: douchebag: for so long as you understand that you become a usg electro-echafaudage expert, and your fortune will rise and fall with usg's -- like patent lawyer's -- then why not, do it
douchebag: asciilifeform: When it comes to web application exploitation - I'm a pro and it's rather profitible
diana_coman: asciilifeform, eh, he's a schoolboy, not a lord; what of it; when (if) he grows up, revisit;
asciilifeform: douchebag: you did ~only~ the minimal interpretation of what was asked. like a schoolboy. instead of, e.g., annotating this list with 'is this an actual vuln in actual physical trb'
asciilifeform: douchebag: understand that this behaviour 1) has a name 2) might work LITERALLY EVERYWHERE ELSE on planet, but won't work here.
mircea_popescu: point remains -- stores in vhs america hold "anything you could possibly want". that is the exact statement ; and it is a fundamental requirement. no longe satisfied -- no longer to the camelfuckers go native in your newyorklondonzurich
asciilifeform: i suppose for people with money, the equation differs, but i am not , never was, and never expect to be such a thing, and cannot comment authoritatively.
mircea_popescu: so there you go. it's not a matter of "if".
mircea_popescu: so there shall not long exist the sort of things one expects of "Working socialist reich". consider -- it is infinitely easier now to find a girlfriend (in medieval parlance whore) than a houseworker (in medieval parlance, maid). by a factor of at least 100.
asciilifeform: it's a stable strategy, like the lantern fish.
asciilifeform: reich can continue to soldier on ~indefinitely for so long as it can afford to maintain a miami for idiot orcs to salivate for. this could prove to be a very long time.
mircea_popescu: Mocky, sadly, the whatever else is mostly "books". because the only fucking altgernative is writing simple books about simple databases for http://trilema.com/2016/there-has-not-yet-been-seen-a-simple-thing-even-if-were-drowning-in-simple-people/ ☟︎
asciilifeform: or hm that's a different bell !!
a111: Logged on 2014-07-18 20:19 princessnell: they can't identify a maestro for a mendicant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM21gPmkDpI
asciilifeform: ( and always. recall how stalin, whatever else he succeeded in, was unable to create a half-passable replacement for himself. ditto peter. )
mircea_popescu: if man is a dullard, man will engage in "high headcount", female generative process : how to make ANOTHER item JUST LIKE THE FIRST.
mircea_popescu: the system picks up item, proclaims it is a "painting", and gives man something for it.
mircea_popescu: consider the illustrative case of art. so a man gets an itch, and as a result of this itch in due time comes an item.
mircea_popescu: so the first is a "low n high headcount" and the 2nd is a "high n high headcount", but the first byte is insignificant, "low", "high", maybe 17 is a very large amt of phone number, who's to say.