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assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 13:22:14; mircea_popescu: you ARE willing
to pay 50% of
the money for a 72% item, and so
there it is.
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 13:22:03; mircea_popescu: in
the "i bet you don't understand what
the bayesian approach
to spam filtering
turned into pretend-ai after its failure
to filter spam" means for your country :
the next step is for most all
the jobs
that are still left
to be replaced by
this kind of ai - it's cheaper. so you go
to
the hair salon and you get a hairdo - 80% of
the
time. hey, accidents happen, here's a free coupon for another one. and
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 12:31:44; nubbins`: did karpeles elbow a button when he deployed
test code
to gox production servers?
PeterL: nubbins` I was under
the impression
that bitbet shares get either a part of
the sale of assets or 0.00001, whichever is higher, are you saying
they get both?
mircea_popescu: obviously, you won't be having any money at all
to pay for anything at all on
the grounds of not being born rich and
there not being any further jobs at all; but whatevs,
the consumer has got what it came
to expect.
mircea_popescu: you ARE willing
to pay 50% of
the money for a 72% item, and so
there it is.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: bsite made ? no problem. 72% of
the
time it even works!
mircea_popescu: in
the "i bet you don't understand what
the bayesian approach
to spam filtering
turned into pretend-ai after its failure
to filter spam" means for your country :
the next step is for most all
the jobs
that are still left
to be replaced by
this kind of ai - it's cheaper. so you go
to
the hair salon and you get a hairdo - 80% of
the
time. hey, accidents happen, here's a free coupon for another one. and yes, you want a we
☟︎ thestringpuller: not early enough
though. i should have been in office about an hour and half ago, but whatever.
nubbins`: did karpeles elbow a button when he deployed
test code
to gox production servers?
☟︎ nubbins`: i
think he got mad because a bunch of poor renters who don't own computers weren't able
to find
the
time
to get on irc, find #b-a,
take a photograph of
themselves holding a sign, set up a btc wallet, &c &c &c &c &c
nubbins`: yes, each one has a voucher for 0.1 btc, at mp's direction. he later rescinded
the offer
cazalla: were
they not meant
to be distrubted by
the20year along with btc vouchers or something from memory?
nubbins`: TECSHARE on
the forums bought something like 10 of
them
too, and he fucking hates me, so he might sell you one
nubbins`: cazalla
the20yearircloud has about 40 of
them in his closet, ask him for one
cazalla: that original one would've been nice
to frame and hang on
the wall in
this room in hindsight
cazalla: did you mention
this earlier? don't recall reading it in logs
nubbins`: cazalla same
text, updated design. yin/yang sort of duality
cazalla: diff ones or a second run of
that bitcoin game you made?
nubbins`: sold 8 so far, which should pay for
the entire run of 100 plus a couple of prime rib roasts
nubbins`: cazalla FWIW i'm selling another run of posters right now, and i bumped up
the price by about 50%
cazalla: imma suggest it might raise
the value given some may have been now destroyed, so fewer copies remain out
there
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 03:21:23; mircea_popescu: hanbot
the problem with your
take on what's reasonable is
that
the other reasonable view is
to simply say
that everything's fine, nothing's wrong and
there isn't nor could ever be any cause for expenditure, alarm or ultimately death. in principle
this is a view
that can not be dislodged, every living
thing's expectation
to live forever in a functional world is, misguided or not, nevertheless part and
cazalla: does
this drama add
to reduce
the value of
the limited edition posters you made nubbins`?
nubbins`: nubs selling btc posters on
the forums is a profitable, legit btc business by
this definition.
mircea_popescu: in other news - something
that appears as a legitimate outfit from rochester, new york (
thepremierpartners.com ) has apparently managed
to lose control over its [email] servers, because
they're now sending run of
the mill "due bill.doc" spam but from
http://dpaste.com/2MV15W2 it seems
to be actually sent by
them.
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 02:35:50; mircea_popescu: ironcally, bitbet is not merely "a sure
thing" - it's
the only actually profitable, legit bitcoin business
to date.
THE ONLY.
mircea_popescu: assbot> Fire –
The Anti-American Hate Narrative Of
The Anakbayan << wait, wait,
the anti-gaddafi hate narrative of
the usg is not a "hate narrative" ?
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 17:39:26; asciilifeform: i must agree with phf. and i
think
this is how nubbins` ended up killfiled by mircea_popescu, for
the 'i speak for
trees, for
the
trees have no
tongues'
thing.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:40:41; PeterL: mircea_popescu what about
the part of
the listing
that says shares will be paid out a minimum of 0.00001 ? If selling
the domain+code does not cover
the 17btc shortfall and
this minimum, are you and kakobrekla expected
to pay
this out of pocket?
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:33:32; phf: i
think
this question is receiving far less attention
then
the alleged miner collusion. i would've liked
to see it approached
through a judge (perhaps moon is a harsh mistress style "would you be our judge?"), a carefully constructed paper, an investigation, rather
than bickering in logs. i
think
the question is also separate from receivership and is about ensuring
that
the rest of
tmsr maintain a shared vision
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:33:30; phf: nubbins`:
the core of
the issue (the way i understand it) is whether or not mp can use personal funds
to pay out bets, and whether he can later ask for
those funds back from shareholders.
that seems
to contradict
the contract, so
the accusation goes, he's in breach of contract. seems simple enough.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:33:28; phf: into a controversial protocol behavior, mp called it "miners are conspiring against bitbet". you can personally call mp stupid for
that, but
there's no "crime"
there.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:33:27; phf: nubbins`: i
think it's a pointless
to discuss (and
takes away from
the core of
the issue) whether or not miners are conspiring against bitbet. ascii's been known
to say
that lizard hitler personally disconnected his node, nobody cared
to pipe in
then, because it's an established local way of
talking and
thinking (не веришь прими за сказку). miners are a cartel,
they can collectively decide
nubbins`:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432301 << i also didn't
think it was a worthwhile conversation
to have, but i wasn't about
to just watch mp make
the ludicrous claim
that bitcoin has been forked by a chinese mining cabal, ostensibly with
the intention of
tranferring all
the suckers in
this chan over
to MPCoin, just because his 0-fee
tx got bogged down.
☝︎ nubbins`: phf: "solicited a judge from
the wot" is meaningless, unless you know something i don't.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:33:26; phf: nubbins`: it's a shame
that you chose
this approach for your denouncement. some people are here (myself, maybe ascii) not
to make money, but
to fuck around with novel ways of doing
things. it would've been nifty if, as a "lord" if you will, you picked up
the game and made your accusations formal, maybe solicited a judge from
the wot, made it interesting somehow! you don't have
to obviously, but
the approach
tha
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 17:38:00; asciilifeform: nubbins`: was it really meant
to live only until
the first disaster, however small? e.g., stolen server ?
nubbins`: on its own, separate from
these
three
things, great website, great idea. prolly would be
thriving.
nubbins`: the
three major problems
that beset bitbet were (a) mp was involved with it, (b) it had zero room for contingencies or unexpected expenses and (c)
train-wreck PR
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 01:55:04; mircea_popescu: knowledge
that you can drop 1, 10 or 1000 bitcoin on an arbitrary proposition and be covered fairly, people did not wish
to do so!
nubbins` checks his own pulse, attempts
to catch up on logs
cazalla: vexual, snorera, w/e ya name is now, shoot me an email, u
turned up in log search re: minelabs
ben_vulpes: you don't *have*
to do /anything/, mircea_popescu!
mircea_popescu: except
those where alf lives and a permanent rain cloud rains bricks upon an acre centered on his head.
ben_vulpes: the 'umble shoemaker, dedicated
to sitting on his ass and never doing anything, will starve in
this
town until he
turns
to making fashionable shoes with heels and lace instead of
the sturdy
things in which men
tromp
through mud.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: anyways phf, yes, alphabet corp friends and acquaintances are all having a grand party with
the low cost of living.
ben_vulpes: something must be on
the books for
there
to be any book value, etc.
mircea_popescu: ("but hey mp, you should have moved bitbet
to
this or something!" "yes yes, aren't you a great visionary, man from
the future.")
assbot: Accounting for
the nonzero asset corporation.
The MPEx standard. on
Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1UuNpRO )
phf: ben_vulpes: you can't
trick me, i've been
to portland, and i gotta
tell ya,
there's not much starving going on
there
ben_vulpes: on only a
tangentially related
topic, when do we get
the B.H.-style AN1
that retains all earnings /in/
the corp?
ben_vulpes too depressed about lemon markets
to dance for old men and 'rounds'
this quarter, probably ever
ben_vulpes: "are you sure you wouldn't rather secure a loan with
that 50k and set up a shop on squarespace?"
ben_vulpes: phf:
that's an advantage. i can't fleece people effectively with software, being
too honest.
ben_vulpes: saving people from software is mostly
thankless and rewardless.
phf: ben_vulpes: i suspect
they don't know what
they are doing
phf: this is almost
the opposite of what my previous company would charge
ben_vulpes: phf: it's 400k for a mobile app if you bring your own designer, 50-200k if we design it, 10-40k for a single-purpose webapp with minimal frills and if you need a website, well, squarespace is over
there. heck,
they even do ecomm, and better
than any wordprex.
mircea_popescu: hanbot
the problem with your
take on what's reasonable is
that
the other reasonable view is
to simply say
that everything's fine, nothing's wrong and
there isn't nor could ever be any cause for expenditure, alarm or ultimately death. in principle
this is a view
that can not be dislodged, every living
thing's expectation
to live forever in a functional world is, misguided or not, nevertheless part and parcel of biology.
☟︎ kakobrekla: hanbot
to me
this was 'unforeseen' event even if mp did it deliberately (by his own words) -
there is no way
that one could foresee further unforeseen events
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 23:02:31; kakobrekla: whats next, he loses 170 btc next month and make bbet pay for it
too?
hanbot:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432955 << not
to get ahead of myself with you guys, but it seems
to me
that if
these 17 btc were in fact
the problem,
then you acted reasonably by refusing
to sign...whereas if a putative, later loss was
the real problem here, a more reasonable approach might've been
to sign
this report, and work
together
to ensure
that
there won't be such a further monster.
☝︎ phf: i've also been reduced
to explaining lame jokes in log!
phf: i'm making fun of humanoidity's assumption
that you guys need
to go
talk
to devs elsewhere, by pretending
to assume
that bitbet was built in a very hackernews bezzel way, i.e. by outsourcing
to an agile consultancy
mircea_popescu: no, bitbet was, at least
the first incarnation, shivad
together by kakobrekla in... whatr was it,
two weeks or something, i don't recall exactly.
phf: like one of
those ben_vulpes shops, $300k bezzle a website
phf: i
thought you guys used a valley startup
to build it???
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 23:45:07; humanoidity: kakobrekla: on
the
technical issue
that bit you guys (re-issuing a
tx multiple
times IIUC), and
the conspiracy
theories it spawned, I am wondering if you guys raised
the issue with
the devs
to see if
they reach
the same conclusion ?