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assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 11:43:02; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2016#1433700 << this nonsense does not turn into fact merely by being uttered by mircea_popescu
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2016#1433764 <<< the general case is true here too ☝︎
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2016#1433536 << /me extends hand to receive host ☝︎
mircea_popescu: (and to cap that story - yea the adults expressed outrage ["how could you do that!"] but no, he wasn't punished, because no there was no offense, and the father(s) wouldn't have it, or generally let the women run amok with their nonsense. so hurray for patriarchy or whatever, boo the psychopaths of this world!)
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo ping me when you have time to look at possible qntra submission. Grazie.
thestringpuller: shutting the studio down?
mircea_popescu: ~EVEN~ at that age.
mircea_popescu: school hadn't yet started, so we were prolly 6 or so. but this was a rare concept even at that age.
mircea_popescu: so he turned the chicks neck and threw the corpse at the whiner.
mircea_popescu: some younger kid that didn't have one wanted to play with his, this guy would have none of it, eventually some adult intervened to make him share
mircea_popescu: my earliest memory of him is, we were in some rural setting, dun recall whose grandparents, and we had chicks (kids get young hatchlings to play with in the time and place, it's a time-honored tradition like getting your toddler one of those dingly noise things to put above the crib or w/e)
asciilifeform: not ntirely unrelatedly, usg is doing an impromptu collapse drill under the guise of fire inspection, and closes the whole motherfuckng subway for 24h
asciilifeform: but i was talking about mortals.
asciilifeform: yahyah mircea_popescu has esp powerz and they aint for sale and follow him through the seven worlds etc etc
mircea_popescu: i did build and burn a number of fortunes, but in my younger years. nevertheless : you know, peter ALSO didn't HAVE TO take the imperial guard with.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu , what, threw out his capital ?
mircea_popescu: do tell ?
asciilifeform: witnessed the effect on older folk, too.
asciilifeform: been there, done that.
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu nailed it, 'get on the boat with the shirt on yer back' is a kind of death-lite-version
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu this is a country where , i suspect, most folks' retirement plan is a .45 !
mircea_popescu: it protects an entire fucking population from the above being an absolute.
mircea_popescu: suddenly we understand the importance of national heroes like joe stack
mircea_popescu: yes, plenty of folk do. that don't work, live, were educated or born in the us.
asciilifeform: and yet others - study to do
mircea_popescu: if they were properly leet and called their secret legions to battle with da polis.
mircea_popescu: hahahaha. and similarly i know that they WOULDNT NEED TO pull the pin
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu knows that i'd be on the next flight if i were properly 13337 and knew how to pay the rentz there.
mircea_popescu: this utter fear of finality they bake into all their runts.
mircea_popescu: so it is usable by anyone who doesn't work, live, was educated or born in the us.
mircea_popescu: i would propose to you that "destroying the keys" feels exactly like "moving to argentina" does to you.
asciilifeform: destroying the keys would be a start.
mircea_popescu: so i can't compute this like you would. it's silent and cheap, not loud, not costly.
mircea_popescu: btc people so far seem much lower effort than that.
mircea_popescu: if btc people were the sort where it'd cost about 1.25 heads of usg agent per bitcoin stolen, this is one thing.
asciilifeform: and if he had a pin to pull, the nazis would have nothing.
mircea_popescu: neither loud nor costly to date.
asciilifeform: so - usg can build, if pressed, machines. ~whereas~ existing coinbases they can only reallocate, save a ecdsa break, by knocking people over the head. which is loud and somewhat costly.
asciilifeform: standard way to handle budget overruns
mircea_popescu: altho they sold it to some contractor iirc ? whatevs.
mircea_popescu: and of course the nsa foundry etc.
mircea_popescu: myeah, there is that.
asciilifeform: nope, the latter - fab.
mircea_popescu: not anymore than you do.
mircea_popescu: these are all the moving parts we'll have to count and balance.
mircea_popescu: this is also true.
asciilifeform: evil satoshi is likewise present in any fork, unless you're convinced - and i am not - that enemy cannot win arbitrary pow miner buildout race.
asciilifeform: and meanwhile let it 'go to moon' ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform usg currently steals to sell. perhaps. this does not reduce their capacity to steal in the future. if in the future they steal to hoard, or if the stuff they "sold" was just facade, through preserving coinbases we are baking in not just the original satoshi, but also an evil satoshi.
asciilifeform: how would this look?
mircea_popescu: not those senses, their other senses.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 12:09:47; thestringpuller: this kills SPV mining tho, which is good thing.
asciilifeform: then, as described in mircea_popescu's articles, they become just another player
mircea_popescu: im sorry, "detract from their capacity of stealing" is what i meant.
mircea_popescu: "sell" ? to whom ? etc.
mircea_popescu: if one day they come to their senses, what then ?
mircea_popescu: but this does not detract from their capacity of selling.
asciilifeform: the available evidence suggests that, like a bike thief, they steal to ~sell~
asciilifeform: it depends on who the reader sees as musting die, no?
mircea_popescu: after all, do you know how much usg stole so far ? do they have more than satoshi yet ? if not yet, when ?
mircea_popescu: in the pow1 = sha(header+nonce) and pow2 = sha(digest+nonce), the first sha can even stay what it is now.
mircea_popescu: we don't HAVE TO.
asciilifeform: for their crimes.
asciilifeform: i thought we were bugspraying the old gear people.
asciilifeform: ok now i'm thoroughly lost
mircea_popescu: not in the faux sense of "soft" used before.
mircea_popescu: ie, you still need the old gear + new gear.
mircea_popescu: see, the beauty of this is that it is a TRUE soft fork.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it can stay as PART of it tho.
mircea_popescu: ie, give nodes a way to make money for cpu usage.
mircea_popescu: the valuable idea there is, imo, that you have to keep the same nonce to calculate both sha values. which ACTUALLY does work, or seems to me to work, to do what the article proposes
asciilifeform: also the hashing-the-header thing is possibly evil
mircea_popescu: ah ah. that's just assumption imported from current codebase, not intentional.
asciilifeform: yes but it doesn't need the idiot chaining
mircea_popescu: that's not the problem, the merkle tree jiggling is the problem.
asciilifeform: Whole thing
asciilifeform: and properly stretches to fit the while thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform keccak for this purpose counts as sha-3
mircea_popescu: and obviously, gotta be the same nonce.
mircea_popescu: what i read there was, have TWO hashes : sha(header+nonce) and sha(digest+nonce)
mircea_popescu: well, hm, that doesn't work as stated
mircea_popescu: basically, have TWO hashes : sha(header+nonce) and sha(digest), and BOTH must be < difficulty.
assbot: The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UyRBjA )
mircea_popescu: how would it go, that commenter's proposal ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol hey, life of your parents! funny how this works!
mircea_popescu: so your idea is, that we of course continue to maintain trb as is, but also develop a keccak pow variant, for use in case of forks ? or vice-versa, in case of forks develop it ?
asciilifeform: (last night for example i formally turned down the 'encouragement' to try out for 'top secret' and may very well be sacked eventually because of it)
mircea_popescu: i think the record well reflects this.
asciilifeform: if i wanted to wear brown all i gotta do is, understand, cross the street
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my reaction now is same as then, i am willing to take part in 1,000,001 variants but not in capitulation to the motherfuckng nazis
mircea_popescu: this much is very true.
asciilifeform: nowhere is it written that tmsr will field exactly one weapon.
mircea_popescu: (and generally i dunno why this shortcircuit between facts and judgement became fashionable here, seems much too close to the habits of the "independent" demographic for comfort. trust me, if i want to say x i will say it in those exact words, as i have without exception to date. saying i don't know x means i do not know. and similarly, here, and so on. i totally can speak for myself, say what i mean etc.)
asciilifeform: it could even make sense to fight on 2 fronts at once.
mircea_popescu: i'm not pushing it either this way or that, just want to get all the things on table if possibru.
thestringpuller: this kills SPV mining tho, which is good thing. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the advantage is that we become distinguishable from the usual idiot attempts at self-enrichment.
mircea_popescu: yes, schelling point to continue, yes with the same idiots/geniuses as before, and thus at a lower adoption interest.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform keeping old coinbases has the advantage and the disadvantage of keeping old coinbases.
asciilifeform: adlai: this is ~exactly~ the old joke with the trucks