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mod6: shinohai: eh, I'd say more like a really well kept-up wiki, but yea,
that's kinda
the idea.
mircea_popescu: shinohai no more like keep
the notes organised so mod6 doesn't go blind looking for where
the fuck i said about knobs and where was it.
shinohai: so make a state of
therealbitcoin address for dummies?
mircea_popescu: sorta like a careful bash of
technical discussions rather
than lulz.
mod6: The key
to
this job is
to save
the really succint details of
technical discussions surrouding future development. Needs just
the right amount of information,
too much will be cumbersome.
davout: i saw
this one coming :D
shinohai: what would stenographer need
to do?
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 00:09:59; mod6: all of
this good information needs
to go somewhere other
than
the logs.
mod6: I'd even say
TomServo or
thestringpuller would be good candidates as well. Any wot regs.
mod6: asciilifeform (who is one arm shy of
this job)
mod6: jurov (who's got
too much other shit
to do)
mircea_popescu: course
the other end is harder. who can even do a good job of
this.
mod6: ben_vulpes: any
thoughts on
this? If I dump 10 BTC
to
the foundation, will you approve 2BTC/yr for a stenographer?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> so do it on
the foudnation and donate
the needed funds
to it. << i guess i could just do
that.
mircea_popescu: and holy shit b-a is hiring like crazy, where are all
the people looking for jerbs,
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so do it on
the foudnation and donate
the needed funds
to it.
mod6: naw,
this is a mod6 request.
mod6: hell, i'd do it myself, but
there's no way i can keep up with
that
too.
mod6: dare i say,
that I would lay out 10 BTC, 2 BTC per year for someone
to handle
this
task.
mod6: then we search for
that flag, and we see exactly where we should for whatever important
topic.
mod6: yeah, but i can't ever find shit. and
these details are
too important
to be lost.
mod6: we need like a
tmsr stenographer.
mod6: all of
this good information needs
to go somewhere other
than
the logs.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: the
thing is, currently nodes only need disk ; cpu is wasted. ideally a node should use both, so
that it makes sense
to keep boxes as relay nodes.
mircea_popescu: but i don't
think SUCH hard rape is contemplated at all.
mircea_popescu: now, your observation is correct in
that
this possibility puts a hard limit on how much miners can be raped.
mircea_popescu: my modeling shows it'd be way
the fuck cheaper
to calculate nonce blocks
than
to
try and churn merkel
trees
jurov: well
then my comment still applies - miner can keep
the nonce constant and churn hash1 by changing one
transaction in a cycle
mircea_popescu: but, obviously -
the more moving parts,
the more problems.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it's not entirely impossible
to make
the shifting a function of difficulty differential (note
that
there isn't a rule BOTH hashes have
to be under
THE SAME number. if
there's
two numbers, you could have an equalizer algo
that does
the shift moving)
mod6: well, i guess one could just add in
the shifting and
then make it a
toggleable
things.
mircea_popescu: knob 1 above decides whether
to obsolete current miners entirely or just partially, and is a [true] soft vs hard fork ; knob 2 decides how much i/o pressure
to put on relay nodes ; knob 3 decides how much relay work
to require in
the mix.
mod6: it's
too bad we're so
time constrained on
this, it'd be nice
to see a poc of both : with shifting and without.
mircea_popescu: and yet another
twistable knob exists :
the nonce may be shifted before
taking
the nonceth element.
☟︎ assbot: The necessary prerequisite for any change
to
the Bitcoin protocol on
Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1S52R51 )
mircea_popescu: N is another
twistable knob. can be 1, can be whatever.
mircea_popescu: out of every Nth preceding block,
the nonce-th byte is put in a string ;
the combine hashed.
mircea_popescu: it does. i specifically left
the "hashing" undefined. it can be defined so both use sha3. or first stays as is and 2nd sha3. etc.
jurov: how is
the digest from past blocks done?
mod6: ok and
this goes back
to
the discussion
this am right? re: sha(header+nonce) AND sha(digest+nonce) ? or did i read
that wrong?
mircea_popescu: BOTH hash 1 and hash 2 have
to be under a number
to qualify as a found block.
mircea_popescu: in
the proposed model : a header is calculated, same way.
to
this, anonce is added,
the combine hashed.
this is hash 1. a digest is calculated, on
the basis of past blocks.
to
this,
the SAME nonce is added.
the combine hashed.
this is hash 2
mircea_popescu: ok. so currently, for every block being mined : a header is calculated ;
to
this a nonce is added,
the combine hashed.
the resultant hash has
to be smaller
than a number
to qualify as a found block.
mod6: i like what i've read, more analysis and discussion of implementation decisions are required for sure. i
think we'll get
there as
this
thread continues over
the next 45 days.
jurov: mod6: Mr P.'s outlined ideas would benefit from deeper adversarial analysis, maybe it comes out it's possible only 1000
times slower using rainbow
tables or other
techniques I proposed in
the comments
mircea_popescu: too bad i constantly strangle
the easy fruit pickers. if only
they fucking picked in
THAT direction ffs.
mircea_popescu: healing
the relay-miner divide, if in fact
the
thing on
trilema does it, would be a great one.
mircea_popescu: the
thing is,
the more features
the putative fork has,
the better, i suppose.
mod6: However, my main objective is still
to finish up
the v054 release before diving into any of
that quite yet. It's my fault, I havent done jack-shit all month basically. I've been meaning
to work with
trinque and get
these makefiles battle-ready, but have had a number of meatspace
things get in
the way.
mod6: mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes
trinque phf, et. al., I've been mulling it over while i've been following
the logs for some days now about what seems like a good fork
to have in our possession: at
this point, im inclined
to
think implementation of Mr. P.'s outlined ideas are
the best choice, currently.
mod6: anyway, I see you patch,
thanks for posting. when I get around
to making another version of V, i'll
throw
that in
there.
mod6: also: /bin/sh: 1: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string << i
think you can resolve
this locally by installing gawk
mod6: <+trinque> mod6: what's
the proper way
to get you changes for v.pl? would be nice when press blows up
to be
told what vpatch barfed. want
to just add
that yourself? << hey, uumm... so yeah, i
think it does
tell you which one barfed on press. did you use (v | verbose) in
there? or have a dpaste of what it did?
mircea_popescu: who
the fuck is supposed
to have made
that youtube video ?
BingoBoingo: In other news Orange Clinton is
threatening riots if
the RNC convention denies him
the nomination
gribble: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want
to see someone else's more.
To do so, call
this command with
that person's nick.
BingoBoingo: I know places where actual food happens seasonally and mass food is recycled in
the fields
though
the Corn Cycle. I rightly can't believe
the Coast or Death phenomenon as anything other
than a form of Stockholm syndrome.
BingoBoingo: Seriously
though I know nothing of Coastal life in USia
BingoBoingo: The Bahamas gang's reign is ending and
the electoral progress is a mess in an effort
to rig
the contest in Clitler's favor. Qntra however has
to prepare for lulztingencies. Among
these is a contested convention.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If you are
talking Kasich
the correct lsd is
the one
that extracts lulz from setting
the man up
to fail.
funkenstein_: BingoBoingo, you saw
the footage from inside
the Lavoy Finicum mobile?
BingoBoingo: Also
the FBI did squeeze of a couple shots before his hands went anywhere near his waistband
BingoBoingo: By running
the initial blockade Finicum was clearly excercising his duty
to evade in an effort
to continue
the fight later
nubbins`: i
think
this is called "an hero by cop"
nubbins`: maybe he an hero'd by pretending
to reach for a weapon
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile Lavoy Finicum was a hero because he was fighting
the powah
BingoBoingo: Just
to be pedantic 'An Hero' is
the
technical
term for anyone acting with intent
to off
themselves
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Any idea where
the video is? I can't seem
to find it on "World Star Hiphop"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so wait, an hero killed no-one, police did all
the murderin' ?
BingoBoingo: Ok, I just suggest it because I know few
things as refreshing for
the mind as digging into an especially lulzy incident for qntra.
BingoBoingo: Interesting mortadella
there, will qntra unless you direly want
to do it
assbot: Brothers filmed attack on police station
that left officer dead, authorities say -
The Washington Post ... (
http://bit.ly/1PctO2i )
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ;;later
tell BingoBoingo where is
the qntra on
the police station mega-postal ? << WHAT?!?
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 19:04:24; funkenstein_: its a nice idea but already been
through
the problems i
thought