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asciilifeform: trinque: idea was to play stupid & set judicial precedent in favour of arbitrary do-what-we-say orders
trinque: given that.
trinque: incoherent that they ever made a public fight of it
asciilifeform: trinque: no incoherence, i can remove the motherfucking nand ~here~ in this godforsaken hovel ☟︎
trinque: absent that I have to assume sheer incoherence on the part of hitler
asciilifeform: trinque: nowhere in what crapple sells is there to be found anything posing so much as a temporary annoyance to hitler.
asciilifeform: phf: you may have been thinking of bash.org ?
asciilifeform: trinque: how does a finger muppet 'privately' do anything to another finger muppet on the same glove ?
phf: "i don't speak for hanbot for hanbot has a tongue."
trinque: asciilifeform: perhaps usg's threat is they will shame Apple in public unless they privately bend over more obediently
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and yes i am an arse! with no social graces! but my aspiration is that when i finally go to the woodchipper, folks will remember the pile of dead nazis, and not how i was arse.
trinque: guy even knows how to ghost his nick
trinque: phf: took your example and wrote a CLOS thing for pluggable services.
trinque: I'm nearly done with my deedbot- rewrite; I could add this as well. deed the list of tags per $interval or something
phf: i periodically try and remember its name to plunder for ideas, but failing so far..
phf: does it the most, but we could help or outright automate the process through annotations
phf: there was a blog in the early days of medium, that was basically snippets from irc conversations. my impression was that the display software was gradually hacked into turning out increasingly cleaner posts through various in-channel annotations, like ;tag, ;post, etc. there was significant amount of editorializing though. so someone was responsible, at the end of the thread, to turn it into a post. we kind of have that adhoc, and md
asciilifeform: btw my emulated micropopescu is stabbing me with a sharpened toothbrush. is this a correct spec behaviour ?
asciilifeform: hanbot: to clarify, i meant that i cannot presume to speak for other people, esp. ones who i have not interacted with at great length
mircea_popescu: no, i'm not. i noticed it then, and was deeply surprised she was even considering doing anything ; not surprised in the end result.
hanbot: mircea_popescu you know that line gave me pause at the time, but i figured he was entertaining the noisebox so what do i know what he's answering to. all in all though, pretty odd.
asciilifeform finally grasps that mircea_popescu is going through the miserable l0gz
mircea_popescu: as this stuff usually works, eh.
phf: prometheus was appropriately punished for his infraction, but little good that did
mircea_popescu: well it's good i said something then. anyway.
mircea_popescu: i was of the notion you two had previously met.
mircea_popescu: btw, let me introduce hanbot to you asciilifeform
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on their corpses, not them as such
mircea_popescu: the all-permeating smell of the young male, eh ? supposedly the world is built on these, you know.
asciilifeform: imho this is a spiffy idea. 'tagbot' ?
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 07:43:11; mircea_popescu: hanbot mod6 maybe an extension to deedbot where people could go !tag <string> and then a collection of clickable tags is published somewhere, each leading to a list of loglines ?
hanbot: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437059 << that sounds like the most sane solution on tap for efficiency & accuracy both. and honestly...crawling back through the last coupla weeks' logs to study this i couldn't really be paid. much as i'd like to lend some time to folks actually doing good work, this place is reeking rotten already. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: pretty much the ~only way such an attempt ends up is into a f-35, sooner or later.
asciilifeform: (the real question is why usg would ever admit to it - whole point of the charade was to build precedent-setting verdict. i suppose this outcome became in doubt, and whole thing was brought to what is intended as a quiet burial ?) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: phf there's no need to lean or anything ; but the fact remains that if you're unhappy with the way in which fights between toddlers and adults are coming out, giving the toddlers fancier rifles is not likely to do much.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437589 << l0l, mcafee finally desoldered the nand for them? or one of the other 10,001 folks who offered. ☝︎
phf: <mircea_popescu> [20:02:06] i am currently of the " ' technology won't be solving human problems ' has been deeply abused and is taking its pound of flesh" school of thought. << i failed to parse, you saying "technology won't solve" has been overused, and there's need to lean in opposite direction?
mircea_popescu: i am currently of the " ' technology won't be solving human problems ' has been deeply abused and is taking its pound of flesh" school of thought.
asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu is presently in the 'nothing to be gained from machine-readable encodings of signature meanings' school of thought ?
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 23:50:23; mircea_popescu: for the record, and to revisit that old definition of "public" ie the forum vs "private" ie the gynacaeum, something is public when it has what has been here referred to as a "real" part. ie, when it is possible to make a definition for it that is meaningful for everyone.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437604 << this is ~exactly~ what i was aiming at with 'v algebra' thing, to see if it is possible to expand the 'real part' of signature. ☝︎
asciilifeform: l0l i thought jurov had already sold
jurov: yes, and withdrawing.. and i have to ping mircea_popescu again
asciilifeform: jurov: i meant, that somebody is selling megatonnes of various.
jurov: ^ martians, too?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437595 << somebody's packin' for a trip to mars or what. ☝︎
asciilifeform: which is why the gossip model of wot is the correct one, where there is no attempt at global/'canonical' state, but only a series of questions, which folks may choose to answer - or not - depending on who asks.
asciilifeform: who the fuck knows what so-and-so's ratings ~really~ meant, but him and his inner circle (if that)
asciilifeform: but the thing about 'may as well not be visible' is dead on
asciilifeform: well signature comes with a mechanical algo for verification; everything beyond that is 'promise', rather than protocol
mircea_popescu: a model mirrored in the itnended design of gossipd.
mircea_popescu: the wot is eminently private and so deeply irreducible to public that it doesn't even matter it is publicly visible
mircea_popescu: for the record, and to revisit that old definition of "public" ie the forum vs "private" ie the gynacaeum, something is public when it has what has been here referred to as a "real" part. ie, when it is possible to make a definition for it that is meaningful for everyone. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: wot is not supporting of a single notion of identity. what x signature is varies irreconcillably among the users, by design and deliberately.
asciilifeform: i thought whole point of wot was to a) bare your chest to the knife and b) to even have a chest
mircea_popescu: it's stress syndrome already, lifeforms fully aware they live in shit. "i'ma make myself a house!"
mircea_popescu: FUCK every pissant proggy getting to have its own miniature version of the microshit winblowz 'registry'. << so true this.
mircea_popescu: the wot is not related to this discussion.
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 23:11:33; mircea_popescu: in a different restatement, people "willing to take responsibility for their actions" only has an imaginary part, and no real part ; for the necessary reason that responsibility can not be defined coherently in the real space.
mircea_popescu: terrorists have iphones ? the weird world.
assbot: DOJ may have found a way to hack into terrorist's iPhone - Mar. 21, 2016 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgnCIO )
mircea_popescu: in a different restatement, people "willing to take responsibility for their actions" only has an imaginary part, and no real part ; for the necessary reason that responsibility can not be defined coherently in the real space. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ematics is known as a pole. attempts to create a netherworld between the sharply divergent f(x) and f(x+e) is what i've recently discovered - through the usual stepping on research process - to be a landmine.
mircea_popescu: mod6 << i think so too. but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. << there is no possible division between "punishment" no matter how defined and trust in any reasonable sense. either what you say matters, in which case the world rapidly evolves towards "too hard for peoeple, who just want to..." or what you say doesn't matter, in which case the world rapidly evolves towards welfare state. it is what in math
trinque puts pineapple on the end of broomstick, makes weapon
phf: i usually fail to come back to lists, but i think i've read most things recommended on b-a, the frequency is actually low enough that you can put things in a pile and catch up pretty fast
ben_vulpes hands trinque a pineapple and broomstick
trinque: I want lists of things. I am not a damned secretary
ben_vulpes: what is this automating of the mental reactor rods!?
ben_vulpes: what, people don't maintain their own list of books as suggested by the individuals in chan?
trinque: mod6: incidentally, list-o-megab00ks would be a great use case for that !tag thing
mod6: then maybe will be able to pitch in for adacoin
mod6: i dunno, maybe. need something useful to fuck around with to learn that stuff.
mod6: but I think I might take a stab at writting it in ada so I can learn that with a proper example instead.
mod6: speaking of which... if we were still going to use scheme, long-term, i'd probably re-write my vtron in scheme -- if for no other reason, to learn it.
phf: i assume we're pre-second sack (or first for that matter)
mats: is this a slav thing, 'concent', 'syndevs'?
asciilifeform: (in proper 'concent', 'syndevs' not permitted!111 gotta write in ink, on paper from paper treez!)
asciilifeform: i.e. to get to where i can just have the dos box.
asciilifeform: phf: this is pretty much my entire ambition in life
phf: like if forced i could spend rest of life with a dos machine, can't say the same for os x 10.10, but that of course assumes that i somehow don't ever have to work, and in fact live in a "concent" for the rest of life
phf: so did i, but i mean this for the hypothetical, "move back to dos and fuck y'all" retreat :]
asciilifeform: i used norton commander's editor for 99% of things.
phf: i don't mean Emacs, but dos emacs is enough for the "i have text, i need to shape text into new text" tasks
asciilifeform: serious devs used turboc, or, in the very end days, watcom.
phf: mod6: low cognitive load, for a significant payoff. great games, enough useful software to solve all day to day problems, a handful of dev environments (including emacs, gcc, clisp besides native Turbo * stuff) to solve any possible problems that might come up
asciilifeform: whereas go and try make a pci-e card.
asciilifeform: dos pc was also the absolute pinnacle of the make-own-hardware era
asciilifeform: and i don't think i will live long enough to fully exhaust the excellent gamez.
asciilifeform: this, and also most of the games ever made that imho were worth playing, were on it.
asciilifeform: mod6: mircea_popescu had a good article, iirc, on this. it was the last gasp of the 'my computer is mine and i know how it works' era.
mod6: where does the love come in?
asciilifeform: phf: i think we all do
asciilifeform: because it merely being A THING is pernicious.
asciilifeform: there are reasons why my first act re trb was to exterminate all compatibility with microshit
asciilifeform: because it 'had to' exist on idiot os with 8char filenames
asciilifeform: phf: you can always tell the smell of microshit
phf: main reason gpg is turd, because was written for dos and frozen into spec that way. provided functionally is composite and doesn't "do one thing well". instead of freeform key annotation has explicit "name, email, comment" fields, instead of easy way to spawn many keys, has a convoluted key hierarchy, etc.
asciilifeform: neighbour trained the cats to come out of hiding when she bangs on the dish
trinque: as long as the filesystem in question lets me find things rapidly by searching over metadata, I will happily give up my black boxes of such