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asciilifeform: ada memory alloc is an interesting item that deserves own conversation
asciilifeform: up to size of machine mem
asciilifeform: (but then again i have 'pretty close' to working postgres db in phuctor, so there)
asciilifeform: fwiw i have pretty close to a working bignumatron in ada.
mircea_popescu: and as an added benefit i'm no longer the young man i used to be, doing 100+ articles/month like 2010
mircea_popescu: mod6> bunch of us have been learning scheme and Ada << hey, time spent retooling the shop is still work
mike_c: yes, baby is a bit bigger, and new job is settling in. life is manageable again (or will be once I've caught up on trilema + logs)
mod6: no worries though, it'll be there.
mod6: yah, there's a lot of stuff. trilema will probably get you caught up as a readers-digest
mike_c: heh, sponges. I've got a lot of log reading to do..
mike_c: yeah, hard to reproduce bug-for-bug in another language.
mod6: could require a true hardfor
mod6: btc has to work better than a 767
mod6: i'll catch up by the time im like 394 years old.
mod6: so that's been kinda cool.
mod6: lol, first SoBA to have literally no activity. i gotta grind hard in April i think.
mod6: speaking of which, i literally did jack fuck all this past month on trb
mod6: alf and mp came up with a thing called 'V'
mod6: not much changed around here; still got coinz, still got that drama
mike_c: yeah, then it got worse
mod6: werd. glad you're catchin a break a bit. last we talked you were mighty swamped with stuff.
mike_c: not much up - I got my life settled a bit and came back and have been working my way through the shitstorm that hit around here.
asciilifeform: mod6: much of today there was 'how large is this hole'
asciilifeform: welcome to new planet.
mod6: u too man
mike_c: hey :) good to see you
mod6: mike to the c!
mod6: anyway, re your ddt comment, seems to be an analog for "a hole where the night creeps in"
mod6: asciilifeform: not talking about now anyhow.
asciilifeform: mod6: arithmetizing what the events of today would look like on a gossiptronic net.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> now i could be wrong, perhaps it ~won't~ become a magnet for the vermin that were previously shot on sight << already is!
asciilifeform goes off for a scale model version of this
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima be taking the sluts to a nude promenade, bbl.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2014#856353 << possible starting point, but i misplace the mega-thread ☝︎
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the site's nto even picked as of yet.
mircea_popescu: no, really, their efforts and value are not for a second in question. but the bridge to absolute "a well designed mathematical mechanism" has not yet been made
asciilifeform: cramer-shoup ~is~ provably equivalent to diffie-hellman discrete log.
asciilifeform: rsa is NOT publicly proven to be equivalent to Factoring in difficulty;
asciilifeform: i will give example, of the precious few 'gifts of the learned monks',
asciilifeform: on trilema no less, iirc
mircea_popescu: anyway. i also recommend hamiltonians for they interested in becoming less dumb in finance & economy than the famous sheep of http://trilema.com/2010/rabinul-si-oaia/
mircea_popescu: anyway, alf : we share in teh ideals. lemme convict the man for wearing down the rails deliberately after i see the superconducting magnetorail in operation.
mircea_popescu: but that was so long ago perhaps the monastery has meanwhile been rebuilt upside down ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform last i checked with the learned monks, they didn't even have a FUCKING CIPHER
mircea_popescu: gavin has nfi idea ; but generally - this stuff is hard, and the people who grok it damned few if extant at all.
mircea_popescu: a very poor understanding of actual finance and actual economics, as much as it is the direct cause of floundering of the formerly great american empire ; is also directly evident at work in bitcoin and among the geeks.
mircea_popescu: what can you tell me of the unknown unknowns ?
asciilifeform: to fix the 'miners can selectively deny tx', for instance
mircea_popescu: troubles you met how, by following the blowups of the fix he did for the problems he did see ?
mircea_popescu: to fix what, the troubles you met ?
mircea_popescu: but it is altogether unclear the problem can be at all FIXED.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu himself teaches us that 'you are responsible for ALL questions on the exam'
mircea_popescu: i am not sure this one is on his hump.
mircea_popescu: while the man wasn't the bright and fresh messiah we all would have no doubt preferred,
asciilifeform: the whole design, like the infamous 'galloping gertie' dud bridge, leads to this.
asciilifeform: briefly back to thread, i credit miner cartel, as i did in the beginning, as the INEVITABLE consequence of satoshi IDIOCY
asciilifeform: anyway i'm a (p0000r) whore today, fwiw.
mircea_popescu: and they think goethe was a genius
mircea_popescu: you ever read the sufferances of young werther btw ?
asciilifeform: but i have less excuse than most, i followed the subject before it was a subject, had my own crackpot bitcoin, unpublished, a decade ago, etc.
mircea_popescu: not quite. one can be a whore today. time ticks away.
asciilifeform: generally it is not an interesting line of thought, it is on par with 'if i knew today's lottery number last week'
mircea_popescu: if this won't be enough instruction to be as slutty as you can as young as you can get your cunt wet...
asciilifeform: if i had even so much as mined on the ~fpgas that i already owned~ when the thing began, i would be in neighbouring dirigible to mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: i walked the razor blade for a very long time, ended up very p0000r for it
mircea_popescu: it's the curse of humanity.
mircea_popescu: smart folk are difficult to persuade to give a damn about anything other than onanism.
asciilifeform: it was a difficult time, smart folks were very difficult to persuade to give a damn re bitcoin
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i grasped this.
asciilifeform: (hamiltonian mechanics recommended to all in the audience, helps)
mircea_popescu: at the time it was politically expedient to not admit the possibility ; even as it loomed.
asciilifeform: it ~is~ the low-energy state of the system
mircea_popescu: it may get a run for its money 3-4-6 halvings down the road. maybe even one for each.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i buy the miner cartel! if you recall, i walked into #b-a with miner cartel.
mircea_popescu: your idea with (indepoendent miners very threadbare + sybil) is much higher latent heat than the (miner cartel) situation.
asciilifeform: ftr the cartel exists unquestionably, the high-S derpage is proof of it
mircea_popescu: yes, it's true that the naive view of bitcoin network rapidly collapses into your view, on the basis of your theory.
mircea_popescu: which is why there's one.
mircea_popescu: not for the cartel.
asciilifeform: but they are so threadbare, that a loss of 2-3% can mean death.
mircea_popescu: but for now, the miners yet have the upper hand, as long as that lasts.
mircea_popescu: you understgand this "? yes sybil problems will be incredible once that goes away
asciilifeform: their margin is so pathologically narrow that the tx matter
mircea_popescu: currently they make 9x% of their money from stipend.
mircea_popescu: miners do not need tx to get paid.
asciilifeform: because miners do not generate tx
asciilifeform: sybil has the upper hand over miners
asciilifeform: this is the exact point where i disagreed, the last time we did this thread and were interrupted
mircea_popescu: to a measurable but in any case low tolerance. sure, 0.000001% hash won't matter.
asciilifeform: argument here is - if miners do not ~collectively~ countenance the sybil, it cannot operate ?
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu has the time/patience, let's arithmetize
mircea_popescu: how c and d can both stand is a very curious thing indeed.
mircea_popescu: it seems to me any operative model for this dispute will have to be a) item that does something ; b) which would be restricted to members of a priviledged class ; c) which the item is purported not to be a member of ; d) while admitting the priviledged class was necessarily aware of the behaviour and tolerant of it.
asciilifeform: cartel of miners is something that plausibly may exist, as i said before. but i do not see it as the ~necessary hypothesis~
asciilifeform: perhaps with respect to (a)
mircea_popescu: identify the pairs in this example for my benefit cuz i dun see any relation ?
asciilifeform: but i hold that (b) is more reasonable hypothesis ipso facto.
asciilifeform: other - that ru had electron beam gun.
mircea_popescu: (for the curious, the primitive technology was, dumbass plane shading microwave towers. same thing the germans used to fire their rocket plane munitions in ww2.)
asciilifeform: two theories dominate,