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Framedragger: ah - i wasn'
t clear. db would live on this VPS.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suppose he reloads the phucked page every time he gets a rss feed which doesn'
t include items he already has.
mircea_popescu doesn'
t believe in this whole virtualization thing as implemented by cloud/vps/etc. the only virtualization that makes sense to me is via teh uci.
mircea_popescu: won'
t be worth anyone's time to dick around with monthlies
Framedragger: (also, my initial plan was to ask for a month as i can'
t predict with absolute certainty actual resource requirements. but i think i have a decent picture of what's needed.)
mircea_popescu: no, it simply will be "nobody knows how to turn it on without the talking paperclip, and they can'
t muster the energy to try and find out". that's it. what, you think argentines fail because they're not connected to the same internet we are ? they're connected, i'm living proof. but to them, it's all netflix.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the whole "oh, microsoft secure implants" is really just so much narcissism. as the raped girl angrily if unsuccessfully points out (
http://trilema.com/2013/the-dead-jew-and-the-raped-girl/ ), the peasants could at any point not have been peasants. "could". the pretense that "couldn'
t" is exactly what kept them in line them, and it's the source of this "secure implants bla bla" wet dream.
mircea_popescu: $1k was nothing in 2012 like it is today ; and would have done nothing more for me then than now. what i bought for it was pretty stupid, according to the experts of the time, and doomed to failure. a working computer is pretty stupid, according to the experts of 2016, and obviously doomed to "it can'
t work".
mircea_popescu: and NOW we shall come back to your
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570510 : it's easy to misperceive that whatever, the republic, take it or leave it, in 2016. it's easy to think that hey, maybne i;ll make myself a computer that works, or maybe i won'
t, who cares. in 2016.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: similarly "it's the way of the future" isn'
t going to make shiny happy people out of the populist party that used nothing but this all through 1800.
mircea_popescu: just because i'm influential doesn'
t mean i'm universal. a grass eating quadripede in south america is just as much a herbivore as the common horse, even if they never met.
Framedragger: i don'
t knot about the "*only*" viable alternative. you yourself mentioned some time ago that it's perfectly normal for other intelligent peeps to have their own WoT networks (which are not connected to tmsr WoT).
mircea_popescu: right. because this isn'
t another lollapalooza or w/e.
Framedragger: strangely i can'
t object to this. ("spent too much time here"). yeah, ok.
mircea_popescu: it does not work for all, of course. but if it didn'
t work it means there was nothing there.
mircea_popescu: so no, i don'
t want joe q mschmucky to "understand" why if he fucks up his payment we keep the txn. or to accept it, or to think it's a good idea.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 21:57 mircea_popescu: anyway. the republic isn'
t poor. but it is very fucking difficult to get proper leverage applied.
mircea_popescu: and the obvious response "we have no fucking idea" isn'
t on the table because coinbase ISNT a bitcoin company.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> hence the whole "i want time magazine to tell me how the shutdown relates to me" ie, "i don'
t want any data (ie, anything about objective reality, outside) i just want commentary, entirely baseless if possible." << haha
BingoBoingo can'
t await the coming of vintage "protest candles"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well sure, but convenience store industry isn'
t exactly paragon of law abidingness
mircea_popescu: "the college debt is worse than you tihnk", aka girls being 2/3 overweight, living together, no degree after decade of "work" and obviously, all this paid for by promises that can'
t be kept.
shinohai: Roger Ver's latest bribe attempt. Offering 25 BTC block rewards to Venezuelan miners just didn'
t work.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: it is actually nice to consider that all that paypal moneys i received for bitcoin in -otc were not chargeback'd. it's a nice feeling. but i suppose that's chiefly because 1) i hadn'
t done that many transactions, and 2) amounts were low...
Framedragger: (oh wait, it doesn'
t actually mention daddy. will fix.)
Framedragger: by "much in touch" i meant, didn'
t spend time on bitcoin-otc
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: btw, i later wasn'
t much in touch and didn'
t follow your fallout with nanotube much. maybe there's a trilema article tho?..
deedbot: Framedragger rated mircea_popescu 4 << Look, I haven'
t made up my mind, but he is a very constructive terrorist.
Framedragger: !!rate mircea_popescu 4 Look, I haven'
t made up my mind, but he is a very constructive terrorist.
mircea_popescu: but ironically, YOU don'
t want to v until the code's done anyway and put it all in root. so...
mircea_popescu: anyway. the republic isn'
t poor. but it is very fucking difficult to get proper leverage applied.
☟︎ phf: presumably he doesn'
t have a key, because there's no openpgp implementation in common lisp...
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: and you don'
t have a linux distro to sell.
Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: i don'
t have much free time now, either. maybe end of next week, at this rate. re. CLIM web - any notes / writeup to help? as in, 20min of your time to save some hours of my time while helping you?
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: phf: the "bright CLIM future" doesn'
t have html/css/js/ any parsing at all in it.
mircea_popescu: fucking loony tunes collection over here. that guy doesn'
t trust anything or like anything ; that other guy wants to cook while running around the streets of mosul. isn'
t there anyone in this god damned republic that is sane ?
mircea_popescu: aaaand you can'
t rent a place because no bank accounts, amirite.
gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: the infrastructure needed is somewhere to put them though. I have machines sitting in stanford's graphics lab (cameras everywhere) that will eventually host the IRC channel, but have nowhere to put them that isn'
t USG.NSA.YC.
mircea_popescu: sometimes i wish i knew someone in san francisco who wasn'
t a bum.
gabriel_laddel: anyways, that's pretty much it. I fucking hate all the companies out here and won'
t capitulate == me has to sell masamune and do one-off jobs for cash.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger note that there isn'
t any serious "bitcoin invoicing" thing. you can have a "take customer;'s bitcoin and give me fiatola", there's 500x of those. there's NO "take customer's fiatola and give me btc"
gabriel_laddel: speaking of infrastructure, and the lack of it, one of you who isn'
t doing anything useful (eg, pete) should come out to CA and give me some boxes to work with.
gabriel_laddel: for some reason they can'
t comprehend things unless it comes on top of js/shopify/something familiar
mircea_popescu: Framedragger he's a fine example actually. has a fucking "shopify" thing because...well ? idiots want my cc. what's he to do, practically, "dude don'
t checkout with paypal but instead..."
gabriel_laddel: the new comcast boxes are shit and I can'
t even connect to them from linux whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: oh, he doesn'
t actually have his key anymore does he ;/
Framedragger: i still don'
t understand how much of a browser replacement it is. interesting, tho. what does gabriel_laddel mean, "can gmail"? => can javascript?
gabriel_laddel: anyways, no they can'
t use snapchat, whatsapp or any mobile applications, but yes, they can youtube, gmail, and all web stuff. There is an xterm available via the splash screen for those who need it.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: We're talking about masamune I presume (which sure, isn'
t really separable from CLIM)?
gabriel_laddel: trinque: but the point is, swapping whatever backend out is easy. If you want sockets, fine, just switch. It isn'
t like programming CLIM is difficult.
mircea_popescu: you can'
t simply take the pages out, photograph the miners in boudoir interiors and overwrite them with "IT LIFTS! AND IT SEPARATES!"
mircea_popescu: in the end, the only difference between us and them is that we're not particularly impressed with the notion of "bn datapoints!!1" because whatever, i'll just cat/grep them. their computer only has notepad and it can'
t load bn line files.
mircea_popescu: apparently if i have a billion datapoints and a billion idiots who can'
t, individually, evaluate a thousand data points, the solution is to create a list of all the thousand trillion "evaluations" of each data point by each idiot, and then list those. because why deal with a billion when i could deal with a thousand trillion.
mircea_popescu: hence the whole "i want time magazine to tell me how the shutdown relates to me" ie, "i don'
t want any data (ie, anything about objective reality, outside) i just want commentary, entirely baseless if possible."
mircea_popescu: the model for the situation is roughly speaking that of a man caught in a prison made out of cooked meat, walls so thick he can'
t physically eat his way through - and his reaction is to raise cattle to make sausage.
mircea_popescu: but he talks to the postmodern crowd, that's drowned in information it can'
t process. the same "public opinion" which snowden imagined will cause some sort of equivalent reaction to nuclear holocaust only bigger through publishing his data ; but then turned out to fizzle (exactly like the nukes)
mircea_popescu: even the quoted statement is a disguised tautology. "don'
t herd with the guy that's not herding with the herd." hurr durr, i totally needed a degree in something of the other studies to figure this much out!
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 16:53 mircea_popescu: the attractor is the futility. the plain and unescapable certainty that if they succeed NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. the point about "yes white racism exists - it's white people hating themselves" isn'
t just some superficial flurry of rhetoric. it informs the deepest recesses of subconscious thought and minute behaviour, "if nothing happens then nothing bad can happen" is not just why sane kid chooses for himself "a goivernment job"
mircea_popescu: and no, it requires no skill, it requires a specific representation to be believably made. that "nothing will happen". i can'
t make that, nor do i wish to (these two are related).
Framedragger: so if tmsr did something like that cicada challenge, with a properly formulated marketing strategy, maybe motivated people would turn up. i haven'
t seen an honest marketing attempt by republican folk, but then, i've probably not seen enough.
mircea_popescu: the attractor is the futility. the plain and unescapable certainty that if they succeed NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. the point about "yes white racism exists - it's white people hating themselves" isn'
t just some superficial flurry of rhetoric. it informs the deepest recesses of subconscious thought and minute behaviour, "if nothing happens then nothing bad can happen" is not just why sane kid chooses for himself "a goivernment job"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the republic lives off tooling and infrastructure, and what is tooling and infrastructure develops out of you know, lived life. as a matter of necessity this can'
t be aforestated in its entirety.
mircea_popescu: so you know, "why aren'
t there monkeys on this planet ?" "well, partly because life is hard, and partly because there's not yet the livers sufficiently advanced to support a monkey's lifestyle"
mircea_popescu: there's on top of that also the question of tooling. consider : had i pushed hard on this three years ago when it first came around (and pankake tried to make it) we'd have ended up with non-v software. that'd have sucked ; but at the time i didn'
t know what exactly v is. trinque brings a solid related point : infrastructure. just like tooling.
mircea_popescu: so, why doesn'
t $item exist ? because the $guy that's a) intelligent enough to do it and b) dedicated enough to toil through however long it takes to get $item off ground hasn'rt come forward yet.
mircea_popescu: the long story is like this : that the world is made of friction. this is necessarily, and evident from the fact that it's still here (if self-limitation wasn'
t a default property of all things, the world would have long exploded). meanwhile the republic is made of few people, and also evident from definition - selective means minority. now add these things together : every project suffers from low power and high friction.
Framedragger: i don'
t want to argue regarding the general structural hopelessness of the web because you will win that argument / i agree with you :)
mircea_popescu: accounts won'
t fix that. in fact, ENTERTAINING the stupidity, to any degree, is not only not fixing it, but outright causing it.
mircea_popescu: because they won'
t as much as fucking read the text, you understand, and then come back with "what is the problem friend".
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i don'
t know just how interested you are to find inexpensive modellers etc, but just fyi peopleperhour.com may produce...better results. (but yeah, not for five bux.)
mircea_popescu: for as long as it doesn'
t take itself seriously i dun see the problem with it.