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ben_vulpes: "this land is shit land, that land is shitland, from the trash of new york, to the smog of l.a......"
pete_dushenski: you pretty much can't crash 'investment car' hard enough that you'd lose every penny you ever sunk into it.
mircea_popescu: by and large, if you can't shoot it yourself, the land is shitland.
mircea_popescu: it's insanity to try owning horses in shitlands.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: costs 0! grows by self! << there was an amusing bit in 'what i learned losing a million dollars' about how feller bought 'investment horse' and spent boatloads on medical bills before thing... croaked.
mircea_popescu: iirc he took out the tm part.
ben_vulpes: y'all never stripped out the 2 weeks?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: sorry, musta skimmed that bit of the old logs. but who's to say that bettors take any haircut at all ?
mircea_popescu: almost like some dude going on horseback from bufallo to albany
mircea_popescu: heh maddox doing typically maddox pieces in 2016 is so... weird.
shinohai: +mats i look forward to moar attack surface <<< keks
ben_vulpes: i thought systemd was modeled after windows
mats: i look forward to moar attack surface ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so basically windows is turning into yet-another-systemd ?
ben_vulpes: welcome to...1970?
mats: >Microsoft is adding the Linux command line to Windows 10: Bash coming to Windows is huge news for developers, developers, developers
mircea_popescu: well unsurprising, the common substance of female whining is directly obvious to anyone who bitchslaps enough banshees.
asciilifeform: was ~= this very same observation.
ben_vulpes: depreciation, maintenance, spine damage, vulnerability to other humans and their wrecking-ball-vehicles
asciilifeform: on this
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... the only thing they ACTUALLY hate is powerful people, as long as it results in a reduction of individual power they like anything
ben_vulpes actually could, but prefers not to
mircea_popescu: schmucky socialists, you know, always with their bs. "oh cars are bad because oil - bikes better" "horses even better!" "oh that's not fair because uses beast, bike uses your own ass". o i see how it is, the only thing they ACTUALLY hate is powerful people, as long as it results in a reduction of individual power they like anything it may be.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've often wondered if the final de-horsing of major cities happened at the magic moment when tetraethyl lead made the roadside flora deadly enough.
asciilifeform: in the kitchen window ?
ben_vulpes: wake me when the us starts making roads out of something other than oil byproducts again
ben_vulpes: horses are more expensive than a car what is this
ben_vulpes: only people biking in town are noisy impoverished children like myself
ben_vulpes: not the right people
mircea_popescu: "oh, not enough people want it" wtf sort of argument is this.
mircea_popescu: fuck that, the city is spending money to make bike depots, where's my hay station ?
asciilifeform: where are the dedicated horse lanes!?!111111
ben_vulpes: bikers are supposed to just get the fuck out of the way, sensibly.
ben_vulpes: there are notorious questions on the or dl test about rider signalling. yes, /horse/ rider signalling.
ben_vulpes: horse is only not in your particularly insane part of the states
mircea_popescu: so... they accumulate.
mircea_popescu: if they get a power and don't use that power they don't hang for failure to use.
mircea_popescu: well, no, usg has no obligation to uphold the laws, somehow.
asciilifeform: also ianal but there is probably more gnarl to it, otherwise usg would have to charge, e.g., dope peddler, with trespassing on usg property by occupying his house the day after the dope peddlin' , etc
asciilifeform: at least since the dpr thing
mircea_popescu: lovely shitpit ye got over there roflmao.
mircea_popescu: "For example, a different federal statute provides that title to property used to commit a crime (or otherwise “traceable” to a crime) passes to the Government at the instant the crime is planned or committed." <<< ahahaha check out the ancient escheat to the crown in cases of treason!
mircea_popescu: at any rate : there's about as much room for democracy in a republic as there is for samples in formal logic. completely immiscible things.
mircea_popescu: prolly loads and loads of "noobs", mostly of the purposefully deliberate quality, once website.
asciilifeform: (do we still have n00bz tuning in..?)
asciilifeform: (for n00bz - this is the protocol vs promise thing.)
mircea_popescu: that one can't find the string he's looking for in the algebra is, at most, an indictment of the one.
mircea_popescu: to force a comparison, the difference between a republic and all and sundry other group organizing patters is that the republic is a complete algebra (ie, elements, defined operations) whereas the rest is (necessarily, and provably so) just a dictionary (ie, list, array) of strings.
mircea_popescu: but entertaining the humours of the youthful aspie
mircea_popescu: hey, don't take this the wrong way, i understand why there isn't one, which is why ~i~ haven't said anything about it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm testing a very preliminary cstron.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> subject of, why did mircea_popescu choose to stay on fleanode? << i chose nothing. i simply saw that teh republic chose to not make any usable susbitute yet, and so here we are. why do you ask ?
mircea_popescu: it means something about structures of meaning, and that's about all. it doesn't even insist you don't go "lalala i cant' hear".
BingoBoingo: And seriously. Kyle needs to stahp the speeches.
mircea_popescu: for the record : republic does not in any sense mean nor at any time did mean anything about individual liberty, and especially nothing about individual liberty to be a dumbass without consequence.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> afaict there is mircea_popescu's court, some dismally jolly sappers digging tunnels, and some people emptying bedpans in their finery << becauyse why, we're 5yos and the alternatives we perceive are either cartman's own "whatever, i do what i want" or otherwise "we live in a dictatorship!111" ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> "She wanted the buoy," he recalled. "I said: 'There's been some damage done, due to the loss of days, and time,' and she said she's not authorized to relinquish any money. At that point, she said: 'Don't you know we're the US government?'" <<< bwahahaha
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i argued that giving equal haircut to (1) and (2) is a communist idiocy.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: see if this rings a bell. there were two kinds of bettors on bbet. one that did not get double-paid. and one that 1) did 2) kept quite, kept the coin and possibly a 3) got double-paid, returned the coin. i am not aware of any (3) and kakobrekla stated that 3 was empty set.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: were you there for the mega-thread re: which of the two cuts actually is a socialist thing ?
pete_dushenski: kid on reddit has ideas about how the world ~should~ be and uses verifiable math to demonstrate that socialism is best -ism. this is the exact same, and equally inapplicable to davout's work.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: if you don't care for the answer, i won't bother to try and convince you. i believe that we already had good thread about this in the old logz, with davout even (who is stuck with the actual surgery)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: what's the arithmetic have to do with anything ?
ben_vulpes: subject of, why did mircea_popescu choose to stay on fleanode?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the arithmetic in the claim is VERIFIABLE.
pete_dushenski: to the extent that i have an itch, and to the extent that commenter bro is outside of wot, sure
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: if he had said 'you', would this scratch your itch ?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: and if you want an example of the use of "we" that actually makes no sense, see ascii's commenter bud
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: "it's gw bush's fault that obama sucks isis brown dong in the middle east and it's his ~brother's~ fault that bitbet is insolvent. dagnammin bushes RUINING ALL THE THINGS"
trinque: ben_vulpes: many things called themselves republic throughout history, but I don't see how there being a court precludes there being a republic.
asciilifeform: 'If we withhold the same-address pending bets, the loss of 17.93766065 BTCs becomes 4.31574744 BTCs. Moreover, if we withhold the same-payer simultaneous bets (the three 2.00000000 BTC bets; 1G7VC(btc-700-apr), 16LZu(jeb-bush-rnom), 1H2YT(silver-19-apr)), the loss becomes 2.12225210 BTCs: [details snipped]'
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: finally got the '1 from different addr'... and as fucking if!
asciilifeform: 17:26 <+ben_vulpes> tangentially relatedly, i've been trying to reconcile "designing a fork to heal the breach between miners and nodes" with "proceed from causes not towards purposes" << this is not a mega-conundrum.
ben_vulpes: afaict there is mircea_popescu's court, some dismally jolly sappers digging tunnels, and some people emptying bedpans in their finery
asciilifeform: aha you get quadspend if you 0fee when you're tripling...
pete_dushenski: "we the republic"
ben_vulpes: quadruple if you count the second, right?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: when you doublespend at somebody you owe to already, and then insist on paying'em again (see the mega-thread where this was posited)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: actually we finally invented the Triple Spend !
ben_vulpes: tangentially relatedly, i've been trying to reconcile "designing a fork to heal the breach between miners and nodes" with "proceed from causes not towards purposes"
ben_vulpes: it's not a true double spend unless you spend...twice.
pete_dushenski: i tried !!
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: now you gotta doublespend a couplea times!111
pete_dushenski: in other news, i managed to [absent-mindedly] get a 0txfee tx broadcast, and am now waiting to see if any miners are going to snap it up. doesn't look like there are many 0txfees being incorporated into blocks atm, so i'm not holding my breath on a quickee
pete_dushenski: ^for the policy-minded
pete_dushenski: d be the case otherwise. The only other option is to not regulate at all, and to not insure deposits. This would leave each bank, and its customers and depositors, with the ultimate responsibility of determining the appropriate risk capital. This option deserves greater consideration in light of the results of this paper.'
pete_dushenski: http://philipmaymin.com/papers/Philip%20Maymin%20and%20Zakhar%20Maymin%20-%20Any%20Regulation%20of%20Risk%20Increases%20Risk%20-%20FMPM%202012.pdf << 'Thus, we conclude that the effect of any objective rules for regulation will result both in more risk being taken by each individual bank, and by the risks taken by different banks to be more correlated with each other, resulting in a far more fragile financial system than
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://macmint.superglobalmegacorp.com
ben_vulpes: aup that's the one trinque thanks
BingoBoingo: Sherer took that as a statement that the government can essentially do what it likes—a claim he found unbelievable.
BingoBoingo: "She wanted the buoy," he recalled. "I said: 'There's been some damage done, due to the loss of days, and time,' and she said she's not authorized to relinquish any money. At that point, she said: 'Don't you know we're the US government?'"
BingoBoingo: In other reasons not to consort with random non-qntra journalists, Conde Nast writer serves process to fisherman trying to get compensated for lost time https://archive.is/kJi6R
mircea_popescu: oddy i recall this piece.
deedbot-: [Qntra] US Court Upholds Right To Feed Legal Profession - http://qntra.net/2016/03/us-court-upholds-right-to-feed-legal-profession/
ben_vulpes: mhm, steve yegge had a piece called "quality without a name", large part was how amazon used (heavily customized) emacs for customer support during the early years, and support staff hated everything that came afterwards
mircea_popescu: or are you actually building binary tree out of loglines, and will identify references that way.
mircea_popescu: phf for my curiosity, will << be a reserved symbol ? to demonstrate to alf the value and importance of in-band control codes ?
thestringpuller: phf: turning the logs into genius.com?
phf: so mix and match the basic components and you get a working foundation for xref
phf: and then there's an entry point that takes specific log entry ids (or ranges), so can 1,10,50-100,900 and get them in the same format as above