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mircea_popescu: you mean implicit array such as nth element of A as opposed
to A[-5] sorta references ?
phf: Then going
to lose all old links
mircea_popescu: sure ; if you're going
to do
that might as well rebase your indexes in db, but anyway.
phf: Could add an offset
to your references
phf: Can put it all in array, index
things by ids
mircea_popescu: there's nothing inherently inferior about black oops i mean negative numbers, is
there ?
phf: Maybe not, I should
think about it
phf: I'm not sure of a reasonable way of integrating it
though. Main issue, and general with canonical log approach
taken so far is each entry has an id, starts at 1, and incremented by assbot database
mircea_popescu: but yes a proper bouncer log would be better, save you
the gaps you know ?
phf: Unless somebody steps forward who had a bouncer instance running since
the early days
phf: If you can pack&upload from 2012
to date above, I can integrate
them
mircea_popescu: **** BEGIN LOGGING AT
Thu Apr 12 23:03:54 2012 < i have
them earlier
mircea_popescu: in other news, "Chamicka, age 14, says she accepted Hot Pockets frozen
toaster sandwiches for sex and would gladly do it again.Nicole, age 15, says her and her 14 year old sister had sex with a man for a double cheeseburger. Whether it was
the cheeseburger meal, and if it was supersized, was not made clear. And Chiquanna, age 14, says she had sex for a lobster buffet dinner."
mircea_popescu: im fucking confused, reading lafond on one screen,
talking
to you here, and you don't use
the same word for websocialmedia
mircea_popescu: i dunno
that
there's
that many sexually active womenz on reddit. seems mostly BingoBoingo's mayogenders & weirdo bois.
diana_coman: well,
they don't seem
to be adults
there really, hence not people :D
diana_coman: fwiw my understanding of
that is simply
that
there are a whole lot of women around who can't get enough
mircea_popescu: erection is "cheapest
thing in
the world" in
the sense "sword in battlefield is cheapest
thing in
the world". in yo dreams.
mircea_popescu: you get 9
tools
type A
to 10
tools
type B ; all
the B's work, about half
the A's work and while Bs are always on As are on 1% of
the
time or so.
mircea_popescu: see alfie, erections are scarce now
that
they have a cure for it.
mircea_popescu: "The white men
that were visible were all driving; either cop cars or luxury sedans and SUVs. One SUV-load of stoned and drunk white men were shadowing a group of
three black girls, calling out
the window asking about prices, assuming
they were hookers. A young guy standing at
the stop next
to me yelled
to
the insane looking Eastern European drunk
that was hanging out
the window, “Yo fool,
they either givin’ it away or ki
diana_coman: anyway,at
this level of haziness I don't
think
there's much
that I can say further;
mircea_popescu: hey, if i didn't know better i'd
think you're discussing a
trilema article.
diana_coman: but it's not really clear what
that is in itself anyway and
then it gets mingled with what is actually said
diana_coman: I increasingly get
the impression
that you are
trying
to answer in
that post
to what you perceive
to be people's actual ideas of
the
thing, but
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i believe it's not so different from any other simplified approach, such as johnny bravo seeing hot mammas all around ; or else orc warrior seeing world in
terms of
threats etc.
diana_coman: or just something in
the eyes of
the beholder?
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly,
this
theory
that baltimore riots is directly resulting from john hopkins hospital/uni buying gangland, much like flooding of a spot of floor is directly resulting from broom pushing on
the other side of puddle is rather interesting.
diana_coman: well, going back
to
the "interact with reality on different levels"
thing might make it perhaps clearer: would
this "millionaire vision" be basically a superior level of interaction?
mircea_popescu: because i have no confidence
the million is in any way related. it would seem
to me
the better is
truly at issue.
diana_coman: I read
that as an implied millionaire=better otherwise why not right it as such: people who are millionaires, are millionaries
mircea_popescu: which is why i didn't approach
the matter in ethical
terms at all ; much
to pete's displeasure.
diana_coman: mk, a state of vision so
then what does
this have
to do with "being better" at all?
mircea_popescu: being "a millionaire" is much like "being really scary". it's not something
the
thing IS, it's something
the subject perceives.
mircea_popescu: mno. at best it is a state of vision, and
thus entirely unrelated
to
the object,
diana_coman: I suppose
the difference comes at heart from defining millionaire as a state of being and
thus an inevitable characteristic of
the essence of a person (that's my understanding of your position)
mircea_popescu: in purely atomic
terms
they're incredibly mutable, and a rather good approximation of "random pile of carbon nuclei".
mircea_popescu: as far as
this aspriational "being X" is concerned, yeah,
they're closer
to immutable
than anything else.
diana_coman: so no, adults do not
turn into anything other
than corpse by
the previous definition, but
they do not remain immutable really, precisely as
they were, precisely what
they will always be
mircea_popescu: the whole point is
that you can "be" a millionaire in
the exact sense you can "be" a wife ; or a
tree can "be" yours.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what it is, and i don't see
that it is very much at all.
diana_coman: adults are adults or is now millionaire some other
thing in
there in between child-adult-corpse-dead?
mircea_popescu: children
turn
to adults.
this does not mean adults can
turn into "millionaires".
mircea_popescu: when i broadly reject your proposition of "change" understood in representational
terms, i do not by
that rejection also somehow reject actual change understood in actual
terms.
mircea_popescu: the
things
that can happen are fewer
than
the
things
that can be said.
mircea_popescu: you're not about
to
try and parlay
the fact
that
the space of possibility is narrower
than
the space of representations into some sort of dilemma ?
diana_coman: and for
that matter what is learning exactly if not change
diana_coman: but
things don't
turn into anything, so how is
this child
turns into adult?
diana_coman: so let me see
this: child-adult-corpse-dead
mircea_popescu: similarly a string doesn't "turn into anything". and main section stars don't
turn into really large conglomeration of bathroom rubber duckies.
diana_coman: mk, so an adult is set
then
to whatever s/he is; is
that your position above
that people don't change? (I still don't see how is
this really reconciled with "they
turn
to shit as
they age!!" - if
they change,
they can't
turn
to anything )
mircea_popescu: juveniles aren't
the animal in any other consideration or context.
they WILL be
the animal at some point, sure. but
the very point of juvenility is
they aren't.
diana_coman: it's not about collective-bargaining, it's about
the fact
that all of a sudden it seems we are
talking about different entities, so we need
to set
the definitions somehow
mircea_popescu: it'll have
to be argued on its own merits, not collective-bargained for.
mircea_popescu: whether other items are or aren't people has no bearing on
the fact
that children aren't however.
diana_coman: by
that measure old people aren't people and idiots aren't people and non-millionaires aren't people and yeah, sure,
there's nothing left
to discuss either
diana_coman: and if people don't change,
then get yourself a newborn and
tell me how is s/he
the millionaire
mircea_popescu: to quote marsellus "the punk" wallace, " You see,
this profession is filled
to
the brim with unrealistic motherfuckers. Motherfuckers who
thought
their ass would age like wine. If you mean it
turns
to vinegar, it does. If you mean it gets better with age, it don't. "
diana_coman: so I don't quite see
the point
to expressing circles (other
than
they are satisfying)
diana_coman: and b.
this
thing is quite circular as you say it or as I read what you say
diana_coman: hm: a. people change who
they are all
the
time really (think dementia for a clear example, not
that all are
through illness or
that radical)
mircea_popescu: the same exact action, in
the hand of
the idiot is an idiocy ; and in
the hand of
the millionare, millionarcy. hence
the ancient "there's no such
thing as your idea"
thread
mircea_popescu: well no. it's a matter of being what
they are. hence
the ancient "you can't just power cycle a box with no idea of what you are doing".
diana_coman: nope, nor can it be; my observation for what it's worth is
that people interact with reality at different levels basically, as
they can
mircea_popescu: "At
the very least,
they need
to do what
they can do, as it were" << but
this is not ~specific~.
diana_coman: heh, was I having so much fun
that it's unclear whether I am serious or having fun? lolz
mircea_popescu: i read it like 3
times still dun know which one are you saying
diana_coman: and doing all
the exercises in
the guides, ofc, not "just reading"
diana_coman: don't millionaires really get
there by reading guides?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman "Ha, wouldn’t you say
that’s how it happens really?" << hey what's
this mean ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> pete_dushenski: being
the pig is also +ev until christmas. << he has a point. "renegotiable" when your side of
the negotiation is pack it and leave and
their side is "take it or leave it" is insanity on a stick.
mircea_popescu: phf> so you generally have
two problems, one is "how do i group
together multiple source code files in order
to indicate
they are part of same codebase", second is "how do i indicate dependency of
this codebase on
this other codebase" and
third is "how do i autodownload
things from internet" <<< all of which are really "how do i install v"
mircea_popescu: phf> So kako's dump which is only id;timestamp;nick;message adds up
to ~~150mb <<< when does
this start ?