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mircea_popescu: can we
talk about
this here
thing instead of other
things!
ben_vulpes: what, people are accustomed
to hammering
their fingers in
the door, so i should allow for people who want me
to hammer
their fingers before letting
them into
the house?
mircea_popescu: are you gonna engage
the debate or quote bible at it ?
danielpbarron: well i still manually move
the resulting .asc file
to an airgapped machine..
mircea_popescu: there's
this "reboot machine" "try again" close coupling
that's more
the c way
than anything about arrays.
ben_vulpes: same'd likely have happened even under restart conditions. difference'd be
that
the chan would (maybe) see a join/part
mircea_popescu: but you gotta debug
the "wtf
this isn't working" complaints of people - and you're even less equipped
to handle
that, if nothing else because novel.
mircea_popescu: yeah, you no longer have
to handle
the indignity of restart.
mircea_popescu: you know,
trinque asciilifeform phf ben_vulpes and other folks with
the lisp interest : diana_coman 's mishap earlier makes me
think about
this. so... "changing code without restart is pretty cool". subjectively, it feels
that way, i feel it. but
then ... what of
the people caught in mid
transaction by an invisible change ? seems
to me
this coolness resolves no actual problem, just pushes
the goop around.
ben_vulpes: yes quite obvious,
trying
to get him
to reconsider automating
the control rods
mircea_popescu: "make request, wait so and so, look in
this url, proceed"
mircea_popescu: heh not a
trivial
thing
this, as currently arranged is it
ben_vulpes: moreover, how would you make
that work with batching?
danielpbarron: there's plans
to make
the url for getting
the encrypted
thing uniform, right?
diana_coman: I
think it was my fault, I
timed it precisely in
the middle of
the change, lol
midnightmagic: Hello. Is perma-+v still via a bot or is
there another method now..?
trinque: since I grew up in a sewer,
the fact
that you can go edit a running common lisp program will always bring me great joy.
mircea_popescu: alrighty everyone - you'll be losing
the autovoice. if you want voice, plox
to say !up
to deedbot in pm and
then !v his otp.
trinque: a script's chugging away importing all
the existing pubkeys
mircea_popescu: so basically, /msg ChanServ FLAGS #trilema deedbot +AHVhtv only works halfway, i guess
they did a buncha undocumented changes
to
the op/halfop/etc mess.
mircea_popescu: apparently
they fucked it up silently, /msg ChanServ AOP #trilema deedbot no longer works and so on.
trinque: the one with dash is
the old python one headed for
the chopping block
gribble: (rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in
the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field
to enter any notes you have about
this user. <nick> must be
the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.
trinque: yep I can swap
that character at front
mircea_popescu: trinque
thinking about it, we'll hafta use a diff control sequence. ! won't work. how about say $ ?
mircea_popescu: there's
two reasons for
this. one's
that it eases management of otps if people batch it ;
the other's
that it acts as a salt offering some protection against some mostly
theoretical attacks against privkeys.
mircea_popescu: trinque it'd be much better
to include a digest of
the command being processed in
the pad.
trinque: !gettrust
trinque ben_vulpes
trinque: yeah,
that's what I'm doing
mircea_popescu: You will be given a random passphrase
to clearsign with your key <<<
this is
the wrong way
to proceed. how about "we'll encrypt a random string
to your key, which you must send back".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shame on you for intimating indignities on
the angelic character of children. do you not know
they be pure as
teh driven snot ?!
mircea_popescu: trinque> and I have not imported
the old wot << why not ?!
trinque: old deedbot- will handle feeds
til I make an rsstron for
the CL guy
trinque: then appropriate
to make a genesis v-patch and deed
trinque: I'll properly package
the source, clean shit up a bit,
then post for asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, phf
to give a beating.
deedbot: FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4 registered as
trinque.
gribble: (register <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without
the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase
to clearsign with your key, and submit
to
the bot with
the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
trinque: matter for
the forum
to discuss; it's not a decision
to not, but haven't.
trinque: and I have not imported
the old wot
trinque: takes
the usual commands, among
them: !register, !up, !down, !rate, !unrate, !rated, !gettrust, and !deed
phf: Since it's all written without use of any
third party libraries I basically just
take knuth and code it from scratch
mircea_popescu: the other fact is
that i really don't do much coding (mostly because whenever i
try i start
throwing
things out of displeasure of
the sort seen above)
phf: There's a fact
that
this code is written for my own amusement, so figuring out how
to make memory grep fast is a priority
phf: There's no reluctance
to
tree
mircea_popescu: let me guess,
trees also can't be hash-indexed or some such bs
mircea_popescu: phf now i much better understand your reluctancy
to
tree
phf: Upload em and I will implement mp-array
that can be indexed with negatives
mod6: ya, i'd give you a coin
to bundle
them up for me -- i'll store 'em somewhere for safe keeping.
mod6: its a cryin' shame. i /used/
to log shit like a long
time ago when it was #bitcoin-otc
phf: My logger
thing stores log messages as arrays for example
phf: That's fair, but mostly because
the whole
thing is a fiction
mircea_popescu: so you can store
things in strings
that aren't characters
phf: You can store other
things in arrays
that are not chars, like pointers
mircea_popescu: why even call
this "an array". it's not an array ; it's a string.
mircea_popescu: or otherwise : why
the fuck would i use anything but strings if
the only way
to access elements is
through a n-th reference.
phf: There are dodgy array like
things,
that are not actually arrays. Like php
that has dictionaries, and uses
those
to emulate arrays using something
they call associative arrays
phf: Nah, universally. A significant property of arrays shared across languages is
that
they give you some guarantees about access
time, space utilization
☟︎ phf: You have
to allocate underlying memory in which case a[n] is a claim about where in memory you are reading
phf: Well you can't do a[-1] because array indexing don't go
that way. Can write
two arrays a and b and make [n] access one or
the other depending on
the value
phf: Right now
there's a nice property of clicking old links in log and being redirected
to new logger