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mjr_: so i guess it would even make sense at current fees if you transferred enough

mjr_: i was just doing that math

mjr_: i should have done math before i say that

mjr_: i think

topace: smickles: i could do that too, im open to suggestions

mjr_: i was just always confused why they wouldn't lift the ask

mircea_popescu: awww i remember the good old days when there were only a few new accts a day ;/

topace: ah yes, never though tof that, but yes i dont see why not

smickles: topace: say i had 100000 s.dice, can i give you them for 1000 sdice on havelock?

mircea_popescu: yeah. i just troll here.

mircea_popescu: you know i don't run or maintain assbot do you ?

mjr_: i thought these were trades between mpex users...but technically you are just reporting informative trading information from havelock users, correct?

mjr_: yeah i get it

kakobreklaa: i have no clue tbh.

mjr_: i was just curious why they always seem to come in higher than best ask, is that automatically calculated for the size of order they asked for?

mjr_: i wasn't thinking of arbing it

Lyspooner: ok thanks, i see that

smickles: Lyspooner: i thought that assbot reported low / avg / high

mircea_popescu: i did on the 2nd pass

mjr_: i believe

Lyspooner: am i supposed to put more importance on the offer side of things?

mjr_: i think that is a great business model, and all orders are denominated in lots of 100 right?

mjr_: so yeah, i get that

mjr_: and i understand about fees

mjr_: management fee...i haven't researched, and i don't know

mjr_: i heard that they keep 5% or something

topace: (note: i run havelock)

mjr_: from what i heard last night

mjr_: and i know they have some sort of dividend holding thing going on

mjr_: yes i know...but they again just paid...almost 5% more than market

smickles: i dun think so, havelock is a whole other platform

mjr_: or at least i would start there and if i needed more would raise price up

mjr_: i would buy S.DICE at .00724519 a share

mjr_: i'm not sure if they keep their own inventory and you just report for pricing purposes or if whenever they get an order it comes here and is then filled

jurov: lol, like, i made 10k last month but bragging about 38btc from coinbr instead :DDDD

mjr_: so i don't know if i want my bot going up against yours lol

mjr_: and probably what i meant more than that was that in general, those 80,000 may have been 80 orders...

mjr_: i mean that is a range of calls and puts somewhere around the current price

mjr_: but i guess we can consider that we clear immediately?

mjr_: yeah i guess since usually you don't clear immediately

smickles: i've facilitated shorts for people where I don't transfer the shares too, usually because they don't have mpex or broker accounts

mircea_popescu: i think tomorrow we may see large jump

mircea_popescu: i've seen it as high as 33

mircea_popescu: i have bets made in august and sept and oct and etc that diff will be under X

jurov: ok i miscalculated somewhere

mjr_: but i really don't konw

mjr_: actually i had only really heard of 1 that was testing on slush's

jurov: yes borrowing has costs. i just wanted to operate with bigger amount

mjr_: but i am kinda happy if that's the case cuz it puts my FPGA project back on track

mircea_popescu: im sorry i didn't take more bets on network diff last year.

mjr_: i thought there were only 2 of them

mircea_popescu: i tell ye... these asics aren't working as advertised.

mircea_popescu: jurov i don't get it, why borrow shares if you have shares ?!

mircea_popescu: but i was talkingfrom the perspective of having the proof.

mjr_: i need to read up on traunch, not sure if that is the right spelling

jurov: anyway i have much more than than that on my own left from ipo.. so i'm covered even if whale buys up to 0.001

mjr_: that is what i was thinking...you do insulate yourself from that risk on mirceau's side but smickles would have to go to the court i guess?

jurov: he did transfer them. an i did sold them

mjr_: but i can see why that may not work

jurov: no i borrowed from smickles

jurov: it's official. i'm short s.mpoe now

mjr_: i would make as many trades as possible to maximize my investment

mjr_: oh but yeah that is fixed, if you are going to be a trader, and i paid a one time/ or monthly fee

jurov: no, the 30BTC /0.09monthly does it i think

mjr_: ooh, i just thought about designing a risk monitor

mjr_: it is not very risky (i want to get in the position)

mjr_: and as i said, since my goal is to acquire a long position over time at the lowest possible price...

mjr_: .24% if i am going through coinbr

mjr_: so with 1.24% on mpoe... i can make .84% every trade by basically just filling market orders

mjr_: and i don't think the fees are very high

mjr_: but i account for fees

mjr_: i think so too

jurov: i think both mircea and coinbr's fees in fact affect order size distribution

mjr_: but i do try my best

mjr_: actually, i think that mirceau_popescu's idea behind his trading platform could be huge

mjr_: i put my code up earlier if anyone wanted to look

mjr_: but i would find it very interesting to see them interact

mjr_: so that way if you have a small order, i am reasonably sure i'd get filled after you for one satoshi more

mjr_: i think i just said "if volume less than 5000, go 1 satoshi behind, else go 1 satoshi in front

jurov: and i kept it so, i think it discourages others from jumping in front of it

mjr_: and i was referring to mpoe

mjr_: i'm just curious

jurov: and i didn't looked on angular

mjr_: and if you want any help on it, i'm down

jurov: nice! so far it looked like everyone is too lazy and i'll have to add it to the agent myself

mjr_: edit: i mean a browser based trading platform

mjr_: which i think would be PERFECT for a web based trading platform

mjr_: i wanted to play with angular.js

mjr_: which would not be fun i think

mjr_: yeah i figured it'd be easiest to use web so i wouldn't have to actually create charts in a desktop app

mircea_popescu: for the record, i think that guy must be posting out of about half the btctalk accounts

mjr_: my app wasn't performance oriented but rather i wanted the easy UI admin from django

mjr_: but i like twisted a lot

mjr_: i used django with python in my last web based project

mjr_: i am gonna look at the code now

jurov: i was thinking about adding fileserving fo mpexagent

mjr_: which i think would be a huge value to the trading community

mjr_: i mean, IDEALLY you could then use a lot of those pieces to build either a web based trading platform or an actual desktop application

mjr_: but i will look at it :)

mjr_: i would have to write the position monitor, and i would have to write a driver so my orders could be translated to mpex orders