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mike_c: and not a bad thing either for it to be restructured. things change, quickly around here. I was just pointing out that s.mpoe was a steady ride up until the death of mpoe-pr, and then bumpiness ensued.
mircea_popescu: mike_c> yeah. well, how long could mpoe have survived without mpoe-pr? << in fairness... mpex listed itself by reverse-merger with the then-listed mpoe ; which continued operation as a distinct profit center but that has meanwhile discontinued. it's such a historical layering of evolutions etc that some restructuring years later seems inevitable.
mike_c: heh, yeah, I can see that being handy
mod6: well, maybe not best thing, but ~a~ nice feature.
mod6: best thing about irssi, it'll ask you if "you're sure" if you try to paste like more than 5 lines or something.
mod6: took me a while to get my conf setup the way i liked it, but its been pretty much the same now for 10 years probably.
shinohai likes the ability to switch between cli or webclient at any time.
mike_c: no, I really am. just got to get used to it
shinohai: I used irssi long ago before my switch to weechat.
mike_c: i am trying irssi for first time
mircea_popescu: ideally, while the work is never easy, it's easiest for the one doing it. at least, if capital allocation works worth a shit.
mike_c: Quite the clean shutdown of a huge listing too
mod6: maybe a good time to take the chance to say; Thanks for all the hard work over the years. I gather that it's far from easy. Salud!
mircea_popescu: and yeah, mpif is prolly going to close next month.
mike_c: I assume mpif can't be far behind, given the lack of anything worth investing in.. talk about a dead zone for btc income investing.
mike_c: oh, that little thing about mpex going private?
mod6: wow. just saw the news.
mike_c: is it still up in the air?
mike_c: i see mp saying "i've got the coin but am verifying lists", but not where that ended up.
mike_c: after much combing of logs and blogs, I can't figure out whether mp decided that davout was actually due another 200 btc and disbursement is pending, or if lists were still being checked and there was not yet agreement
BingoBoingo: No, the point is it is safest for them to stay because of their immobilities and condishuns
shinohai: Why not let the fuckers stay and take bets on how long the fat will burn?
mircea_popescu: for the love of fuck. how can people be this thick.
mircea_popescu: OMFG! so these useless imbeciles have added every last thing to utf EXCEPT A TITS GLYPH ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: phf what's the most referenced line plox ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-05#1446446 <<<< lemme try this shizzel #2 ☝︎
trinque: mike_c: couple of days and I'll get ya both dumps and something to poll for realtime data
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-05#1446446 <<<< lemme try this shizzel ☝︎
mike_c: nothing wrong with that. available db dumps would still be good for rebuilding from scratch if necessary
mircea_popescu: is there anything substantially wrong with just polling a rss feed whenever your server feels like it ?
mircea_popescu: i tell you one usercase (new eulora players) really makes me want moar realtime.
mircea_popescu: trinque can you accommodate the gent ?
mike_c: not really. I currently suck in daily dumps. I'd be open to some more realtime arrangement, which would require further thought
mike_c: do those exist?
mircea_popescu: anyway. epsilon just means "very small", in which case the sentence works. i think i actually like your definition better, in which case the word is used frivolously, for stylistic effect. ☟︎
jurov: whether on infinitesimally small value can be "significantly" compared to another
mircea_popescu: is your definition of epsilon "such a value that nothing can be picked significantly smaller than it" ?
jurov: unless there are negative numbers in play or somesuch
mircea_popescu: hm. this is actually an interesting question.
jurov: dunno if anything can be significantly less than epsilon
jurov: you actually worded it as "a is significantly less than b, and b is less than epsilon"
mircea_popescu: jurov> okay, i can see some tortured logic how diana_coman reds it << what exactly is tortured ? "a is less than b, and b is less than epsilon".
danielpbarron: and there's an image of a dragon separating b-a from t ☟︎
danielpbarron: if you link the log, that line gets a reference link to where you mentioned it
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> i love the new log! v.nice with the back and forward reference thing << am i missing something ?
adlai now being contract-free, nestles down to read that other 'closing statement'
mircea_popescu: ah that'd break links, huh. hm.
mircea_popescu: but really, can there be timestamp ? maybe http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-04-21-53#1445586 or somesuch ?
mircea_popescu: ditching the timestamps explicitly i can see, roll-over seems better
mircea_popescu: phf any chance we get text/author separator vertical aligned ?
BingoBoingo: jurov: Erik settled with SEC over his twitter GLBSE thing
danielpbarron: http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ << this, no?
BingoBoingo: <jurov> he basically said that the notion that some pretend-sovereign may have caused closure of bitbet is utterly ridiculous << Well gotta consider what happened soon after S.Dice delisted
jurov: okay, i can see some tortured logic how diana_coman reds it
danielpbarron: what implication? he explicitly stated that other people haven't stepped up to make bitcoin better
asciilifeform: implication here, if i understand, is that mining as we know it is a work of fiat sovereigns
jurov: i did not know what to make of it and how it goes together
diana_coman: how do you make that link?
diana_coman: I don't see the link fiat pretend-sovereign - bbet
diana_coman: the way I read it, it says: a. the fiat pretend-sovereign has nothing to do with mpex going private b. bitbet did NOT die because of 17 btc
jurov: yes that
diana_coman: jurov, do you mean this: The notion that some fiat pretend-sovereign or other has anything to do with this measure is significantly less sensible than the notion that 17 Bitcoin and change is what caused the closure of Bitbet, as ridiculous as that notion may be.?
jurov: dunno what that makes of the chinese miners theory
asciilifeform: if i had to guess, from my grossly inadequate picture, why he did it, why not the simple hypothesis - buy it back while it is mega-cheap
jurov: he basically said that the notion that some pretend-sovereign may have caused closure of bitbet is utterly ridiculous
jurov: jus' asking if anyone understood it. or it was only exclusively aimed to meta-trilema
ben_vulpes: consumers have come to whatever it was
asciilifeform: i have no problem with this, nowhere did he promise a mega-explanation for everything he does, srsly
asciilifeform: mp's productions are so opaque that i cannot even conjecture about the mechanics, which is, i suppose, precisely how he likes it.
jurov: ^ calling our resident conspiration theorist asciilifeform: why mircea_popescu feels necessary to draw parallels with bitbet?
jurov: Fits the mythology, i guess.
shinohai also likes the dragon ...
trinque: yep the reference links are very nice. thanks phf!
diana_coman: ha, love the dragon
phf: since i fucked up the timezone again, had to refresh the log, so now inaugural first #t-a post belongs to diana_coman
danielpbarron: i love the new log! v.nice with the back and forward reference thing
asciilifeform: (or from trb at any rate, iirc mod6 had this in his original diagrammator)
phf: hehehe, sorry pete you're no longer first #t-a post, i discovered that i had timezone issue, that's now been corrected
asciilifeform: it is how mircea_popescu came to subj
asciilifeform: i recall this
phf: (if people trying to access patches etc. things are at present down)
shinohai: Yesterday: "I will *not* resign" Today: "I quit"
asciilifeform would like to know who imagined that any of these folks paid tax !
asciilifeform: 'The Panama secrecy leak claimed its first casualty after Iceland’s Prime Minister Sigmundur David Gunnlaugsson resigned following allegations he had sought to hide his wealth and dodge taxes.'
asciilifeform: apparently this is a thing!
asciilifeform: it sums to 0.
mircea_popescu: bickering endlessly in that tedious, god forsaken unreadable style of dostoyevski's, about who should have done what or w.e the fuck , i can never finish a page of his dialogue.
asciilifeform: in what sense is that a revolution ?
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, imagine the october revolution if EVERYONE involved had stayed small time govt clerk/whatever the fuck they were. a ?
mircea_popescu: he ~grew~ with the fucking thing.
mircea_popescu: that turned churchill down.
mircea_popescu: that turned field marshall
mircea_popescu: that turned bank robber
mircea_popescu: sure. stalin was an unwashed small time thief.
mircea_popescu: senescence'd be fine, if the neotenous corpses HAD GROWN AT SOME FUCKING POINT.
mircea_popescu: from its humble beginnings as "i dunno if i'm ready for you to move in yet" to its full blown "i'm in bitcoin hurr durr", it's the same thing.
asciilifeform: and everyone sees folk who aren't treading, and still float
asciilifeform: but the other thing is that nobody really likes treading water
mircea_popescu: the bigger part of it however - is the failure to thrive thing.
asciilifeform: everybody at some point gets to the place where they ~can't~ tread water