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mp_en_viaje: fi you don't have a bureaucracy, the kinetics of many-moving-hot-metal-bits still beats the thermodynamics of delta-energy.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929434 << sword takes training to use this way, noob wrists get tired. i can't find now where i put the "two smgs, make sure you mow down everyone in your car then come out screaming and flailing armss down the tunnel with the rest of the muppets, let Inca sort you out"
lobbes: re: upstack (to my surprise) loox like the bug on eating null payloads wasn't in my znc2tsmr code, but in fact in eat_dump.py. Barf for reference
BingoBoingo: Well, he didn't specify what he'd be doing over there.
asciilifeform: 'if the worst comes to the worst I can always go to China or Russia' << lol, wasn't aware these needed american profs
asciilifeform: gnu diff / patch don't know about hashes at all .
asciilifeform: lobbes: they don't hash at all, typically
lobbes: so in other words, the heathen patchers don't care if the prev hashes do not match?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 14:51:34 asciilifeform: diana_alt: fella seems to have profound talent for reading text w/out ~actually~ reading. (for instance, escaped noticing that primary diff. b/w a vpatch and a heathen patch, isn't that it is pgp signed (heathens had pgp-signed patches 20y ago) but that it doesn't fuzzy-merge.
mp_en_viaje: this is the female lifecycle : 1. menstruation ; 2.1. taken slave by republican | 2.2 taken slave by slave | 2.3. rots untaken. then 2.1 goes on to mother M.T. Tiro ; 2.2 goes on to mother a buncha redditards.
asciilifeform: empire of rome detectably 'wanted' to be something like today's reich, aha. didn't have the industrial process to make it stick tho.
asciilifeform: observe incidentally that germany's slaves also were 'imam-distributed' . hence my suspicion, that 'legionnaires personally take slaves' doesn't extend to when the primary weapons are industrially-crafted objects with gnarly maintenance cycles, only really extends to when gladius.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: as far as i can tell, they ~tried~ to '51st state'. problem is that inca can't even fully digest 1 baltimore, merely 1 small (physically large, but not so habitated) town where folx willing to ~sometimes~ shoot, much less entire iraq.
mp_en_viaje: if they TRULY BELIEVE they got something, "democracy", blabla. if the pantsuit truly believe pantsuitism is +ev, then how come iraq isn't the 51st state ?
mp_en_viaje: so the q there stated extends/dovetails into ye olde "why didn't they make iraq 51st state"
mp_en_viaje: this is baked into the question, though. "why didn't THE SYSTEM allocate the pilots slaves" ? you know the isis rural tards have complicated manual about "how to slaves", mostly dealing with the recipients' own homophobia and bizarre cuntfears. but those slaves aren't personally taken in war ; they're imam-distributed.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There doesn't seem to by anything that can stop Argentina from getting tossed on the manure pile to rot this time. They are approaching the fiat system stable state.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the reason why the fiat printers can't take argentina behind the shed and shoot it, no matter how obviously necessary, is that then would have to also take selves there also and shoot
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929364 << rereading this classic, had grim thought : consider the q mp_en_viaje posed at the end, 'Why is it, exactly, that the pilots didn't come home with a bunch of Iraqi slaves ?' :
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929348 << ftr that'd be 0x1f4a9 . doesn't seem to display on any linux i can find tho.
asciilifeform: lobbes: you're invited to test locally , btw, don't have to wait for me
asciilifeform: oh hah, css wrappage doesn't know how to break words, does it.
asciilifeform: ( can be sat behind znc, in principle, if for some reason really want. but i haven't )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 00:44:50 thimbronion: BingoBoingo: I can't decrypt the invoice - it is encrypted to a key I don't have.
BingoBoingo: Apparently Minnesota doesn't have enough room to resettle all of the warm climate "refugees" into proper cold climates?
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-14#1928785 <-- ftr, just to make sure this isn't lost: this is the next item on my list after thetarpit commentz and hunchentoot genesis.
mp_en_viaje: U+0236 ȶ 566 Latin Small Letter T with curl
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 20:31:27 asciilifeform: meanwhile, update re unitardation -- phf's pill doesn't cure -- decoder successfully falls back to 'latin-1', if set up as described, and dun barf ; but ~encoder~ barfs in pg ( cur.execute(query, args) )
asciilifeform: grrr apparently can't reproduce by pasting from phf's log, cuz -- surprise!111 -- it all turns into valid utf8 when displayed there
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928982 << there's nothing in principle wrong with this solution. there may be some practical concerns (ie, might want to get a working unicode set first) ; but other than that i don't see the advantage to having numbers-in-a-rectangle, for instance, in preference of a fixed turd.
mp_en_viaje: U+0236 ȶ 566 Latin Small Letter T with curl
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 20:31:27 asciilifeform: meanwhile, update re unitardation -- phf's pill doesn't cure -- decoder successfully falls back to 'latin-1', if set up as described, and dun barf ; but ~encoder~ barfs in pg ( cur.execute(query, args) )
mp_en_viaje: ("oh but mp, it wasn't TRILEMA that opened the floodgates ; they just opened coincidentally". "really bitch ? and back in 2014, when you were supposed to show me your tits, your optionality was pushing you to nonsense arguments like "bitcoin is doomed" and "[http://trilema.com/2012/the-stockexchange-shareholders-on-welfare/?b=Wait%20until&e=TERRORISM#select][mp is in imminent
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 14:05:50 asciilifeform: lobbes, mp_en_viaje , et al : strangely, having problem reproducing the unibarf discovered by lobbes . pasting the text from the barf samples into test chan, doesn't produce the expected barf, it gets eaten normally
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928982 << I personally dun have any issue with this, but that is just me. Any yeah, not like someone down the line can't make a vpatch for a pill
asciilifeform: and whoever doesn't like it, can write own logger. and if mp_en_viaje wants to tear off my epaulettes and make own logger in cobol, he can.
asciilifeform: before anyone suggests 'store'em in pg as bins, not text' -- nope, cuz you can't index for text search on bins
asciilifeform: meanwhile, update re unitardation -- phf's pill doesn't cure -- decoder successfully falls back to 'latin-1', if set up as described, and dun barf ; but ~encoder~ barfs in pg ( cur.execute(query, args) )
BingoBoingo: It's also not like the wounded don't get disability pensions, often concurrent with ongoing paycheck.
BingoBoingo: Also the dead don't need 100 USD aspirins etc
asciilifeform: lobbes, mp_en_viaje , et al : strangely, having problem reproducing the unibarf discovered by lobbes . pasting the text from the barf samples into test chan, doesn't produce the expected barf, it gets eaten normally
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 12:11:56 shrysr: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-15#1000191 That was a disgustingly fleshed out, but weirdly instructive story which made me laugh (a bit) and cringe (a lot). I'm not sure if I'll eat anything for awhile, but I get what you meant. That being said, - I can't think of any non-docker solution to a reproducible environment other than creating a 'frozen version', preferably under version
mp_en_viaje: fucking endearing : "Most users ever online was 15 on 05 Jul 2010, 11:30" ; meanwhile Design and Program a Computer.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: given context, chances are it wasn't even 'lamp' but.. microshit
asciilifeform missed -- peak. didn't get dirty hands in till '93...
asciilifeform: aaha, from my pov. when it was a hand-sewn www forum for 20 or so commonlisp holdouts 'who didn't know the war ended'(tm)
mp_en_viaje: well, reddit couldn't have emptied at same time as it ~didn't exist back then. but still, they did their best and 2012ish or so i think it was ?
asciilifeform: i guess possible, '"I s-s-said that they w-w-weren't hogs. They were s-sows", Slim managed to choke out, so overcome with fear that a thin stream of hot liquid diarreah began to dribble...'
mp_en_viaje: nfi that i would. but potentially, as i said, to ban anyone who didn't post tits.
BingoBoingo: Forbes is Derping English about how "Argentina won't become Venezuela" even though Argentina is entering this crisis with even less to offer than Venezuela ever had (at least after burning mineral oils for energy became a thing).
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-14#1928700 << in general this hasn't happened to a111 (though i don't have full netsplit coverage, since that requires a bot per all the possible servers we are connected to), i've described the solution in logs, though i can't find it now. when a111 falls over, on reconnect it asks the znc machine to give it all the messages since the timestamp of last known message (+3 hours to
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: no, i get. but i dun have a squad of people who will immediately report ' asciilifeform broke leg, is in ditch ' . have 1, who is trained to report -- if doesn't simultaneously break leg/neck with asciilifeform .
mp_en_viaje: you didn't miss the http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-14#1928746 part, did you ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'm not married to a particular set of junkyard wrecks out of what people to make loggers. but the solution has to be reasonably automatic, or e.g. asciilifeform for the rest of his days will be doing nuffin but munging db, and it ~still~ won't be satisfactorily correct
mp_en_viaje: whoever doesn't like, can abstain from same-day referencing.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:28:54 mp_en_viaje: linux-server-database-scriptglue. that's what it's gonna be. call them what you will, but try and remember : buying "alternatives" doesn't make you alternative. i buy rope from the rope store and server from the apache store because i don't wanna pay 5x for shittier rope bought at the "special bdsm store". it dun do nothing for me.
mp_en_viaje: this is the problem with systems that don't scale : yes, if your airplane can't take off, not attempting to take of is "wise".
mp_en_viaje: the example doesn't, but i recall seeing some other client also take out chars yes.
mp_en_viaje: but it didn't! is the important point. yes giraffe could have had trunk and elephant wings. COULD HAVE. DID NOT. major diff.
mp_en_viaje: i don't even disagree with the broad model.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:21:21 mp_en_viaje: so, not to put too fine a point on it : i really don't give so much of a shit what peculiar buttdildos you use in your own special universe to make yourself feel "different from the rest", "poetic", "not understood" and whatever other such highschooler personal investments. the fact of the matter is, linux exists for and through and by and because apache, mysql, and the glue gluing these together : php. that's wha
asciilifeform: this portrait isn't wrong, but came out of particular instance of such problem in 1990s, when wwwism came into fashion. recall microshit's purchase of 'hotmail' ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:47:31 mp_en_viaje: i get it, the concept grates, "but mp, i could design so much better systems" no you couldn't. the linux thing was successful ~coincidentally~. a space of possibilities was explored, and this is what STUCK. you can't design a better pile of nonsense for the exact reason you can't design a better elephant trunk : it wasn't fucking designed! it's what stuck!
mp_en_viaje: yes, i'm aware, if you made the giraffe it wouldn't have the laryngeal branch of the vagus go a mile around the heart. whopee for you, but do you know what ? galen was fucking aware this is happening in people too! it's called ~recurrent~ because it goes away and comes back, this is the case in all fucking mammals, equally "for no reason".
mp_en_viaje: i get it, the concept grates, "but mp, i could design so much better systems" no you couldn't. the linux thing was successful ~coincidentally~. a space of possibilities was explored, and this is what STUCK. you can't design a better pile of nonsense for the exact reason you can't design a better elephant trunk : it wasn't fucking designed! it's what stuck!
mp_en_viaje: yet ~the thing that runs python~ is already apache. definitionally. it's a broken half-way implementation of apache, but this doesn't make it either lighter or better or faster or anything. doing half the job ain't being "agile", it's being costly in a hidden manner : someone somewhere downstream will have to implement what you left out at the proper level, and it'll be more expensive then.
mp_en_viaje: python/perl/whatever are not "better php". they might be more comfortable php, which is exactly like "i feel weird buying condoms otc, i really need a brown paper bag". fine, whatever works for you. don't tell me though stories about "the really cool store with the really better condoms". they're not better just because the clerk awkwardness-matches you and the SAME EXACT fmcg offering is proffered in an extra brown paper wrapper.
mp_en_viaje: linux-server-database-scriptglue. that's what it's gonna be. call them what you will, but try and remember : buying "alternatives" doesn't make you alternative. i buy rope from the rope store and server from the apache store because i don't wanna pay 5x for shittier rope bought at the "special bdsm store". it dun do nothing for me.
mp_en_viaje: the fucking design of ~everything~ linux is always the same, and always this. divergence from this is neither clever nor ever functional, it'll always reduce to "i'm running LPyFFF because I don't understand why F has to come before the alt-P".
mp_en_viaje: yes, there's alternatives. of course there are. you don't have to coca cola, there's also pepsi. you like postgres more than mysql, well the fuck done, use that then. it'll be still used as an M in LAMP. because that's what the damned thing is, "flexibility" my ass.
mp_en_viaje: i don't give a shit what you tell the orcs back home, or your crying inner 6yo at night or anything else -- buy the ticket, take the ride.
mp_en_viaje: so, not to put too fine a point on it : i really don't give so much of a shit what peculiar buttdildos you use in your own special universe to make yourself feel "different from the rest", "poetic", "not understood" and whatever other such highschooler personal investments. the fact of the matter is, linux exists for and through and by and because apache, mysql, and the glue gluing these together : php. that's what it is, that's what it's for, th
mp_en_viaje: or wait, i got them wrong didn't i. kunstjig and zugkammer ?
mp_en_viaje: who wouldn;t want simple wrappers around werkjij and zeugya.
mp_en_viaje: you know, apache has this built-in scripting language we won't name to run db queries.
mp_en_viaje: god lov'em, cuz i sure as fuck don't.
asciilifeform: i don't presently know why mp_en_viaje makes special pleading for apache et al to exempt'em from 'software is univerally shite'
mp_en_viaje: you're approximately the equivalent of that one guy nobody heard of from the manhattan project who decided early on to re-design cars because his window crane nubbin kept falling off. "dude, they already have cars" "yes but they're not right" "we're doing something ELSE here!" "i can't get there, my car's window's nubbin keeps falling off"
mp_en_viaje: in general, fwis, it's ~always much better to do the "use apache for threading and fs-as-cache" model than anything else. but then again i'm not the hacker, don't let me keep you from your destiny.
mp_en_viaje: if you're not spitting out the filesystem, and don't need apache to run the infrastructure of whatever scripting language for you (ie, use python's native interpreter, or cl, bash w/e, rather than php) then you don't, strictly speaking, need it.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, right, they're going to "alt-pay", which is a speshul argentina thing, and it totally isn't not-pay, it's pay. because they say, and if they say then fucking totally.
asciilifeform: quite arguably any proggy that uses heathen libs -- and pointedly includes my logger -- is pressed sawdust, worx until you hit whatever speshulcase the speshulchildren didn't think 'is possible'
asciilifeform: if i don't find a mechanical method of somehow 'dwim'ing out the intended orcograms, i'ma have the bot replace'em with hammer-an'-sickle . unless someone has better idea.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 22:50:21 asciilifeform: lobbes: it wouldn't astonish me if turns out that some particular combo of uniturds -- breaks py's uniturdism eater
asciilifeform: but where doesn't ( see the overflowing pgs ) currently nfi why, nor even where to start investigation
asciilifeform: lobbes: it wouldn't astonish me if turns out that some particular combo of uniturds -- breaks py's uniturdism eater
lobbes: of course, now I can't find the example haha. But okay, I'm going to go back and take another look with hexdump in-hand
asciilifeform: lobbes: seems to me that it shouldn't be hard to find whether 'because znc logs themselves' -- look in the raw logs
asciilifeform: if this box weren't also running phuctor, could simply hang the logger on port 80 and get, theoretically, 200-300msec loads, loox like.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-04-18 21:58:18 mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : i can't recommend the dsc-rx100 quite warmly enough. it's a splendid sony compact with zeiss lenses that's easily the best camera i ever saw.
asciilifeform: https://tools.pingdom.com/#5b22d518dfc00000 << this one confirms my init observ., almost whole second in 'connect' + 'wait' ( and 5 in receive , doesn't say in what pattern, but visually curl in the 'slow even on local shell' variant appears 'bursty' )
asciilifeform: something is odd, i sat all evening last night reading vintage #t logz via my displayer and none ate >3s
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, looks like about 1-2s for a large (400kb) page (a ; b), though id you actually look into the waterfalls the page itself is composed in 400-500ms, the rest being wats for random repeatable elements (which most browsers don't re-load) like avatar.pngs favicon.ico sbtop.png etc
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 06:02:15 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1928191 << you know, someone fucked something up somewhere, because recall http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922400 ? sounds exactly the same, server just sits there for MINUTE before serving anything, for no reason. this didn't use to be the case, i suspect some "upgrade" broke the stack you two both happen to use ?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1928191 << you know, someone fucked something up somewhere, because recall http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922400 ? sounds exactly the same, server just sits there for MINUTE before serving anything, for no reason. this didn't use to be the case, i suspect some "upgrade" broke the stack you two both happen to use ? ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: anyone recall the trilema article (maybe comment ?) where i was explaining that choice's not constructive, one gotta pick A-or-B or else C-or-D, can't pick imaginarily A-or-D because D doesn't exist in a system with A.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re 'delete file', it isn't quite a simple, cuz fs ops are potentially locking. i elided what means 'wipe the cache' for brevity, but there's a knob.
mp_en_viaje: but it makes perfect sense to make them same unit, and make multiples of the complete unit if need be for reliability. it makes anti-sense to create "across-box" db edges, and try and maintain the nonsense army of unlilely units that don't work separately anyway
mp_en_viaje: i don't get it ?!
asciilifeform: re the 0x01 -- iirc these can't even occur in utf8! so prolly could simply filter'em out entirely