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asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to share the 'undreamy' straight-logic then ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: phf's logger dun echo. plox to use diana_coman's or lobbesbot
a111: Logged on 2019-10-04 20:13 mp_en_viaje: okay, so basically the most favourable idea is uruguay's state monopoly nulled your ips block for you
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-04 20:07:21 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, who is this upstream i don't get it ? are we not actually renting space from a dc ?
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: They say this happened with their international carrier.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 14:33:09 asciilifeform: diana_coman: if latech is to be believed, it's a rotating ddos
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 14:31:54 asciilifeform: diana_coman: that being said, i also suspect that yer box is only standing because piz is taking 90% of the fire
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: indeed. i'm relying on BB to get some fucknig answers (and the pipe, forfuxxsake)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 10:48 new york time .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: possibly grandfathered. when asciilifeform experimented w/ no-sslism connect via own (cloakistic) nick, ended up w/ displayed ip.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940148 << not afaik the case, mircea_popescu never used ssl. though that may be a grandfathering thing, dunno
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: per the letter of the contract, we are..
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's described further downlog -- appears to be the traditional rotating ddos
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: timestamps (both current & historic) are all over the place. cuz clocks are shite.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 11:59:44 diana_coman: all 3 loggers seem synced atm; ossabot is back too, though still waiting to find out wtf happened exactly.
asciilifeform: 'To disable forced disconnects, set disc_t to zero' is wrong btw. will give actual off switch on next patch.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the new one simply demands that ~something~ come down the pipe erry disc_t seconds. recc'd value 180 .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the old one worx a++ on 'organic' i.e. fleanode-initiated disconnects. but sadly not on pipe death
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you had some a++ q's re syncism etc, but i'ma answer'em after piz not on fire .
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, panzers! logotron tree updated w/ detect_disconnect.kv.vpatch . << lobbesbot , diana_coman
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's a small ddos, as they come, but compounded by the hamfistedness of piz upstream. BB is in the cage atm bazaring w/em
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: nope. but iirc you're on a phased array of euro pipes, not individually routable to from outside also eh
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: seems like only folx regularly throwing ips in the log, affected.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: summary : rotating ddos, not even limited to piz
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Got flooded, appears to have been one of the lurkers havesting uncloaked ips and shooting
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: whole thing in log ( diana_coman's and lobbes's, naturally ), it's reasonably compact
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-04 17:32:32 diana_coman: asciilifeform: uhm, how does that reasoning go? they fire less at my box because one box or what? anyways, is there at least any concrete communication from piz's data centre re what they are doing otherwise exactly?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i expect that before this is through, we'll find out just what tonnage of liquishit the moldavian folx are able to digest
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if latech is to be believed, it's a rotating ddos
asciilifeform: diana_coman: that being said, i also suspect that yer box is only standing because piz is taking 90% of the fire
asciilifeform: diana_coman: moldavia has advantage of not being on monkey continent and not relying on single pipe to civilization, i suspect
asciilifeform: diana_coman: seems to be that 'unplug customer' is the only way anybody mitigates ddos.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: indeed they did, i thought it was clear from last hr of #t
asciilifeform: diana_coman: well since latech appears to have in fact pulled our plug, it is no surprise that they're unreachable ~nao~
asciilifeform: diana_coman: they're both in piz house neh
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I don't see a simpler narrative for why diana_coman's bot went down too.
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> that's why I didn't really bother re cloak because the ip is public anyway << Even the most trivial barrier does something, like prevent lurkbots from harvesting addresses as they connect.
asciilifeform: seems like diana_coman's box in europistan may've been included in the festivities also
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i got this from your logotron
asciilifeform: snsabot restarted by hand. log synced by hand via lobbes ( diana_coman yours appears to be down ! bot & reader both )
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-04 08:03:01 mp_en_viaje: so if you don't know, ask ; i'll either give you the thing or else tell you why not, at which point ~you'll fucking know why not~. see ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 05:12:01 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939876 << i thought as it stands they're good forever, which is how eg spyked 's bot was voicing itself.
spyked: mp_en_viaje, ooo, thing sending trackbacks already?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 05:03:23 mp_en_viaje: so if you don't know, ask ; i'll either give you the thing or else tell you why not, at which point ~you'll fucking know why not~. see ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 16:06:23 diana_coman: asciilifeform: why use timestamps rather than log lines number though? I don't get how is that better at all; ie give syncer "last known ok line", should drop anything with id > that for the chan; then import everything with id > that from the reference
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, excellent news!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 21:21:37 asciilifeform: trinque, diana_coman , et al : draft!!! of semi-auto sync mechanism. is only ~demo~, it cannot write to a db, only proposes changes.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 21:06:09 snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 08:36:01 mircea_popescu: who else wants travel keys tehn ?
asciilifeform: unrelated (or is it? ) diana_coman what do you think happened here : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939877 << >> http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939877 ?
asciilifeform will bbl in ~1h, if pipe is standing will sync logs, until then errybody to diana_coman's
lobbes: asciilifeform, diana_coman I also have #lobbes registered with fleanode and live. Feel free to include in your loggers if you want. No archives to snarf really
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 16:06:25 asciilifeform: diana_coman: aite. proposed algo , is a manually-triggered item that 1) takes a 'breakage point', i.e. last known correctly logged line represented by tuple [chan, index] . 2) finds its timestamp 3) drops errything in db postdating said timestamp 4) walks list of peer loggers, fetches for each enabled chan, errything from last-known-idx i to i+500 5) 4 is repeated until returns <500 6) then takes the ~longest~ s
asciilifeform: ^ implements algo discussed earlier today with diana_coman .
asciilifeform: trinque, diana_coman , et al : draft!!! of semi-auto sync mechanism. is only ~demo~, it cannot write to a db, only proposes changes.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 08:36:01 mircea_popescu: who else wants travel keys tehn ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: even if only had 1 chan, same fundamental problems apply.
asciilifeform: if diana_coman et al know how to turn this algo into one suitable for automatic operation, i'ma take off my hat, and write it.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: hence why i will not propose it as a fully automatic mechanism, i.e. part of bot reconnector.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ultimately yes
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if one or more of the peers contains the truthful record of the interval, the 'longest' algo will select that peer.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: entirely correct, re disconnected bot ; though someone may speak ~as it reconnects~
snsabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-03 asciilifeform: diana_coman: there is 1 potential point of danger re the described syncer -- if the 'break line' chosen was ~itself~ imported from another bot, it may result in unwanted droppage ( there is no guarantee of monotonicity of timestamps except as written by ~one particular~ bot, atm )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: idea is to sync all chans , rather than having to fire per-chan.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: aite. proposed algo , is a manually-triggered item that 1) takes a 'breakage point', i.e. last known correctly logged line represented by tuple [chan, index] . 2) finds its timestamp 3) drops errything in db postdating said timestamp 4) walks list of peer loggers, fetches for each enabled chan, errything from last-known-idx i to i+500 5) 4 is repeated until returns <500 6) then takes the ~longest~ such result, from the s
snsabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-03 asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is correct, and in fact is moar serious, from mathematical pov, problem , than appears at 1st glance
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 02:35:01 mp_en_viaje: japan nonsense immensely less defensible on these same lines, of course/
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 03:52:06 mp_en_viaje: thar shit about the turks cruelties and barbarities whereby they came by the hundred to "kidnap" a woman and some children (ie, her owner reclaimed her) and otherwise stole some bees and ~THREATENED~ to rustle cattle (who the fuck warns of this, srsly now)...
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 11:35:51 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939760 << oh, well, i figure the people not calling won the stalemate with the people not making a foundation -- so no further use for it. if we re-do it later it'll be a different number for a real foundation
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939785 << not even to disagree w/ mp_en_viaje's comments, but hey mod6 there's an even moar elementary problem : ben_vulpes went to bottom of the sea, and you haven't filled his throne yet (per charter, oughta)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'ma have to buy, cuz unequipped to comment in detail just yet
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 03:47:32 mp_en_viaje: re Vlad IV, one notable aspect could be that he was at least 70yo when he died. puts things in perspective, doesn't it, to think that he was certainly alive by 1425 and yet only ascended in the 80s. supposedly this sorta longevity wasn't supposed to be possible, at the time, at the margins.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 03:16:55 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939703 << seems rather likely the derivation's similar to miriste (which yes, from mir, "world")
asciilifeform: was in reader, rather than bot; lobbes , diana_coman , no need to reset bots.
asciilifeform: active_disconnect_r3.kv.vpatch , + asciilifeform's , bvt's, diana_coman's, sigs, mirrored.
asciilifeform: 'sept_errata.kv.vpatch' fixes the barf detailed earlier .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 02:31:53 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939660 << for my own archival needs i am satisfied the pope didn't so much "lose" china as... got to keep italy (and most of the old spanish possessions).
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 02:30:35 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939654 << sorry, what ? did i miss something here ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 02:42:17 mp_en_viaje: took me a while to figure out wtf there's a spurious "bot" in there. honestly asciilifeform i don't think adding text after the name is acceptable. maybe a [B] prefix for the name ? ie instead of "snsabot bot I am bot version 596907." do "[B]snsabot I am bot version 596907."
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 02:58:08 mp_en_viaje: took me a while to figure out wtf there's a spurious "bot" in there. honestly asciilifeform i don't think adding text after the name is acceptable. maybe a [B] prefix for the name ? ie instead of "snsabot bot I am bot version 596907." do "[B]snsabot I am bot version 596907."
diana_coman: bvt: thank you! signed and mirrored: http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/?b=active_disconnect&e=#select
bvt: asciilifeform, diana_coman: i have reuploaded the reground vpatch with version in bot.py set correctly
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 03:41:29 diana_coman: bvt: no worries; I'll first just make the changes, deploy and see how it keeps on; though it took ossabot ~10 days before it fell down at all.
spyked apologizes to diana_coman for the upcoming headache
spyked: mp_en_viaje, /me hoped to find moar about these in the museum of history. unfortunately museum had trouble keeping the lights on, let alone present interesting deeds of vlad iv. and it was like this most places, they simply kept lights off until we showed.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 03:56:24 mp_en_viaje: very much protests re http://thetarpit.org/uploads/2019/10/targoviste-04-thumb.png creepy designation. not creepy at all, just... has had a hard life, but nevertheles... is very happy to see you! 
spyked: mp_en_viaje, must admit to not having read most of the chronicles of the time, but still irked by locals' attempt at turning voivods into national heroes. "mihai had the purpose of reuniting romanian principalities" my foot.
mp_en_viaje very much protests re http://thetarpit.org/uploads/2019/10/targoviste-04-thumb.png creepy designation. not creepy at all, just... has had a hard life, but nevertheles... is very happy to see you!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 23:48:52 lobbes: but indeed, top priority for me right now is getting mircea_popescu's bot complete. Hopefully fleanode weather + data center gnomes will be kind in the meantime
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 14:05:26 mod6: asciilifeform: I don't see a reason to keep it up, because it isn't being used. Let's let mircea_popescu weigh in on this though. Anyway, I'm totally fine if you want to invoice the foundation for what you spent on it.
lobbes: but indeed, top priority for me right now is getting mircea_popescu's bot complete. Hopefully fleanode weather + data center gnomes will be kind in the meantime
bvt: diana_coman, asciilifeform: post with vpatch updated
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 02:25:07 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile, in things chinese thought, "Reading this proclamation, I have concluded that the Westerners are petty indeed. It is impossible to reason with them because they do not understand larger issues as we understand them in China. There is not a single Westerner versed in Chinese works, and their remarks are often incredible and ridiculous. To judge from this proclamation, their religion is no different from o
mod6: asciilifeform: I don't see a reason to keep it up, because it isn't being used. Let's let mircea_popescu weigh in on this though. Anyway, I'm totally fine if you want to invoice the foundation for what you spent on it.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 09:21:57 diana_coman: who even is dllud?
asciilifeform recyned via diana_coman
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 03:41:29 diana_coman: bvt: no worries; I'll first just make the changes, deploy and see how it keeps on; though it took ossabot ~10 days before it fell down at all.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 03:13:54 diana_coman: bvt: ah, I had this niggling thought that there *was* some patch I missed somehow; asciilifeform what was it with this/why didn't it make it into the sept vpatch?
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, nfi
bvt: diana_coman: this should have been fixed here: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/09/logotron-active-disconnect-vpatch/ , please give it a spin; iirc it did not get into sept_fixes vpatch
lobbes: k, got the latest logotron patch applied. asciilifeform: I've also read through and signed said patch