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mod6: not
that its useful, just was curious if anyone else saw it
mod6: played with it for an evening or something.
this was like right around
the
time of
the contest.
mod6: I
think it would encrypt a string.
Then decrypt it, but it wouldn't/couldn't
take any different input. haha.
mod6: It was abomitable,
though.
mod6: I got it
to work, kinda sorta.
mod6: anyway, did anyone else rip off
that guys Perl CS implementation from his university paper and get it
to work?
mod6: Next friday checkpoint at
the latest. Even if it's just a quick update.
mod6: I'll start putting
this
together, let's check back in on where I'm at say, mid-next week.
mod6: I
think
this is a good stopping point for
today probably. Plenty of food for
thought. Getting
the list
together is a small enough chunk
to get us started.
BingoBoingo: in case of fire, and during
the last drill (my building is only four stories for fucks sake) an obese coworker was out of breath and had
to stop half-way with a huge line of people behind her - if
this was a real emergency, I'm sorry, but I'm gunna gunt punt
that woman
to ensure everyone can make it out alive."
https://archive.is/7ObHD BingoBoingo: Iterlude from
the mines: "During
the 9/11 attacks, more people died
than should have because
the obese people in
the buildings could not move down 20 flights of stairs as fast as needed. FACT. Obese people moving slow (as fast as
they can) in a burning building stairwell absolutely can cause people
to not make it out alive.
This is
the most
triggering one for me. I'm one of
those people who volunteered in my office
to help people escape
mod6: This is something
that ben and I can put
together.
mircea_popescu: impossible
to organize activity otherwise ; or for
that matter
to maintain any semblance of discipline or morale.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> i guess one good move, and very foundation-like, would be
to make lists of what we want, both for cB [cleanning Bitcoin] and iB [ideal Bitcoin] << ok so
this is a start.
mircea_popescu: anyway, making a list of all
the
things seems paramount
mod6: oh,
thought
that you got
the 10 BTC?
mircea_popescu: of course,
the discussion re cipher composition is herein included by reference.
mircea_popescu: i don't
think
there's anything wrong with proper, full rsa (as opposed
to
the neutered version implemented by pgp)
mircea_popescu: something beyond
the very summary skeletons discussed in chat prior and even further summarized above.
mircea_popescu: i guess one good move, and very foundation-like, would be
to make lists of what we want, both for cB [cleanning Bitcoin] and iB [ideal Bitcoin]
mod6: anyway,
this seems
to make some stategic sense
to me.
mircea_popescu: and as
the idiots keep investing
themselves, no matter how ineptly,
they'll eventually build a shitpile large enough, i suspect.
mircea_popescu: if we are in a position
to say "we don't want a fork - but if you do,
THIS fork will prevaly, no matter what you do, because it actually is
the
tech schelling point"
then
that's
the end of
that.
mod6: So, we build a new battleship, and keep it in port.
This will make 'em bleed
through
the purse.
mircea_popescu: mod6 like i pointed out
to davout in
the middle of
that heated discussion re how
things work,
this is one of
those
things
that deal with
the negative of "works"
mircea_popescu: so in
this sense, active development of an iB is actually useful beyond its use.
mircea_popescu: it's a basic approach
to leveraging local superiority into actual
total value.
mircea_popescu: \this can end up costing, by
the end of
the war, way
the fuck more
than
their battleships were wortjh in
the first place.
mircea_popescu: they have
to keep accounting for your potential activities. hence
the "in being" part.
mircea_popescu: instead, you keep your battleship in port.
this
ties down
the enemy, and
they can't go about doing
their shit normally
mircea_popescu: you have created
this situation when
the enemy has one... relatively infinitely large battleship.
mod6: "In naval warfare, a "fleet in being" is a naval force
that extends a controlling influence without ever leaving port."
mircea_popescu: ok, it's a concept from maritime strategy,
that meanwhile
took over mainstream.
the idea is
that if you have one big battleship, and
the enemy has
three, you are ill advised
to go into battle. because if you sink
two, and
they sink yours
mod6: yeah, i read about
this before.
mod6: Then, i
think my initial still holds. Short
term C releated work, if it can even be done in
time. And meanwhile, new icecream replacing dogshit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i follow
the
theory of it, or else i'd be covered in liver spots.
mod6: sort of like we were
talkin about with Scheme, etc.
☟︎ mod6: I suppose
that makes sense
that parts could be re-written async ... ^
this right.
mircea_popescu: mod6
that was
the major point ,
that
they are miscible. very rarely you get so lucky,
that you can add icecream
to shit,
mircea_popescu: the haskellweight of a project, how likely it is
to suck brains and ideas into a black hole of nock.
mod6: Ok, so i had
to re-read all of
that so im finally caught up here.. i didn't even consider interleaving ada with C really. i dunno why, i was just
thinking it would just be its own separate deal.
mircea_popescu: i mean something peculiar. not of
the
thing itself, but of
the effect it has on heads.
mircea_popescu: of course
the less nifty
thing is
that whether
this entire pile actually works or collapses under its own haskellweight is an unknown.
mircea_popescu: what, whne you were raving about ada
the specified, what did you
think i read, exactly
this, "oh, he hopes and wills
to make
the whole chain"
mircea_popescu: mod6 "ideal Bitcoin", ie
the 2nd
thing. i dunno just came up with it
mircea_popescu: there's also - a good db. and other
things. a list should prolly be made.
mircea_popescu: anyway, back
to
the iB :
there's a number of very valuable ideas, at least in my eyes,
that discussion
throughout has brought out. yes
the sha
thing discussed on
trilema ; also - ada, linked into
the c, and slowly driving out
the c, much in
the way
the vermin
try
to drive out say x11 or rsa etc.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason why
the sort of guy
that can't pass
the simplest
test of manhood,
that pons asinorum known as
the prisoner's dilemma is known as a rat.
mircea_popescu: (yes asciilifeform, "captive by local minima" is not
the definition of adulthood, or of civilisation. it is
the definition of rat.)
mircea_popescu: in
the sense
that
the incentives of
the vermin are modified by its projection. vermin being definitionally captive subject
to incentive potential.
mircea_popescu: in
this sense, a good iB in back pocket as you say plays
the strategic role of "fleet in being", in
that it protects
the old shit from
too violent a crisis.
mircea_popescu: the other's very practical : every halving is a difficult
time for bitcoin. it's a more or less homeostatic structure, which means
that with some periodicity will go into crisis. you don't know what crisis will rupture a vessel and give it an aneurism, but it is indubitable
that
the quality of alternative on offer is
the best measure of its lfie expectancy.
mircea_popescu: well,
there's
two classes of arguments pro iB
that i can readily see. one's very fundamental :
the code is shit,
the "grandfather pistols"
thing will only go so far, it is by its nature finite in utility. eventually
the
trhing will have
to be redone well. it is, after all, a misuded prototype.
mod6: as Ada. We've all kicked it around a bunch about
the lang, and I'm not sure we're all sold on Ada. But seems like a step in
the correct direction overall.
mod6: so i guess
there are short
term and long
term initiatives: Short
term (for
this summer, 12 weeks from now) it might suit us well
to have a SHA3 bitcoin in our back pocket. And with some mapped/planned out work
there, would still be a long shot, but possible, I suppose. Long
term (1+ year or more?), concurrently
there could be work
towards an actual hardfork with an ideal bitcoin written in something, such
mircea_popescu: but you know, i
think blind enthusiasm has carried us about as far as it will ; moreover, everything has its
time and place.
mircea_popescu: the other point, whatever may be decided on
the previous point, is
to make some sort of roadmap or even ideally graph of parts and
then see who can do what and so on
mircea_popescu: so one
thing is you know,
to come
to some sort of decision on what
to do
there. strategy-wise, as it were.
mod6: But starting might just be half
the battle. We'd have
to go
through a process of perhaps identifiying first, where
to swap out SHA2-256 for SHA3-512. (whatever needs
to be included, what structures and fields need
to be lengthened, etc)
mircea_popescu: mod6 well one major question
to be decided is : obviously
there's
the project of cleaning up extant bitcoin code ; by
the discussion re july of forks,
there's also
the proposal
to start a separate project
to make an "ideal bitcoin".
this proposal wasn't ever seriously discussed and i dunno
that it ever was actually accepted as such.
mod6: I personally have hardly even begun
to look at what/where/how
these code changes would need
to
take place in
the current cod.
mod6: If we basically just
tagged bitcoin in V as is
today,
then we could possibly start working on
the implementation of
the prereqs above.