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asciilifeform: pull out a napkin, do this, you will enjoy.
asciilifeform: (it IS possible to operate with a key having nonprime e, but NOT if it isn't comprime with modulus!111)
mircea_popescu: i'm going to write to him
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very difficult to say exact theta.
mircea_popescu: have you seen this wonder :
mircea_popescu: given X as the total count of moduli bytes, what is the formula to extract the time for ideal machine running ideal algo
mircea_popescu: remind me of the complexity calculation for this ?
asciilifeform: and yeah adding them to db, annotating the 'notes' etc
asciilifeform: it is heuristically walking the mods
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: realize that the thing isn't actually phuctoring in the traditional sense atm
mircea_popescu: anyway, seems to be going quite fast, actually.
asciilifeform: but after that yeah
asciilifeform: well there will be round 2, with an sks dump that isn't circa 2014.
asciilifeform: all at once, as tree, rather than 1 at a time.
asciilifeform: it is to be a massive batch factor thing. ☟︎
asciilifeform: plan is i revv up the engine some time late tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: yeah, seed it as torrent. server can take it.
mircea_popescu: yeah there's no way is there.
asciilifeform: it is impractically large, i thought about regenning it weekly and putting up torrent perhaps
mircea_popescu: used to yeah
asciilifeform: ah the product
asciilifeform: and/or that.
mircea_popescu: at least cache the thing and update it periodically.
mircea_popescu: schmucks to the last man.
mircea_popescu: i find it particularly concerning that at the one point in history science fiction need not to any degree and in any sense mean future
mircea_popescu: and then well... takes over teh world and there you go
mircea_popescu: with an ex uni rector shooting cannon rounds at the duma
mircea_popescu: imagine - as a plot for a very cool sfish thing - that real-world 1984 SU actually had bitcoin invented by one of the guys there, and the cause of the collapse was the fight between the intellectuals and the bolsheviks
mircea_popescu: which is why i'm fuckign thankful the obedient horde country collapses already.
mircea_popescu: no, you get a new world govt in two years.
asciilifeform: but how is that bitcoin ?
mircea_popescu: and all the people at those unis are in wot.
mircea_popescu: we'd be in the position were we'd be humble followers on the much cooler tmsr bbs.
mircea_popescu: better off in the sense of same exact bitcoin maaaaaybe coupla years later [or coupla decades earlier ?] and we wouldn't be in THIS position
mircea_popescu: not better off in the sense of - no bitcoin
asciilifeform: rubbish computers take their toll.
asciilifeform: arguably if richie and pike hadn't been able to find a junkyard pdp, we would also be better off.
mircea_popescu: it's writen by a windows imbecile that nigh on put lamp in there!
mircea_popescu: bitcoin SUFFERED from this
mircea_popescu: neither c, nor unix, nor lisp for that matter were written by people who had computers at home. you understand this, right ?
asciilifeform: and for some reason mircea_popescu is reluctant to confront the fact that even he can only remotely afford fab time because it is subsidized by the drool of a billion 'konsooomerz'
asciilifeform: aha but then you had to steal a million.
mircea_popescu: and also back when going on the internet was, technically, fraud and theft, the internet WAS ACTUALLY WORTH FUCKING STEALING
mircea_popescu: which is exactly hoiw all the shit we use now was written i nthe first fucking place.
mircea_popescu: at the absolute very least you should be able to get a university in fucking brazil with a key ffs.
mircea_popescu: but if you ARENT they why the fuck whine, clearly your notions aren't worth the fab time!
asciilifeform: unless you are mircea_popescu and can take over a whole fab.
mircea_popescu: there is ~no possibility of this sort of evolution, and what more can be said.
asciilifeform: fact is, in '09 there was the freedom to write, e.g., bitcoin.
asciilifeform: other than to hitler.
asciilifeform: there is nothing advantageous about the non-programmable computer being the only available.
mircea_popescu: the only specious thing here is the strange notion that somehow they'll get aliens to do the work in alien ways forever.
mircea_popescu: "but those fucking hurt" "fuck you, evil guy" "but i need them for dentistry, for uterine retraction, for" "FUCK YOU!!!!"
mircea_popescu: at least to my eyes,.
mircea_popescu: this argument is rapidly collapsing into a "these damned dentists moved from using fireplace tools to actual dentist's chairs, and i won't have one at home and i won't ever be able to have teeth or chew now"
asciilifeform: so i would like to see mircea_popescu actually sneak something into a mil+ items production line
mircea_popescu: because same board with the signed bios can be made with... different key.
asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu grasp how ic fab tooling works ?
asciilifeform: ok this is the part where i'm lost
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu will personally maintain them ?
mircea_popescu: there's very good scale effects that deeply favour us.
asciilifeform: why will they be there ?
mircea_popescu: the factories will be there to make the shit, and an eight hour run in one will still be 1/1000 or less.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand something fundamental. if the whole blockchain takes 200 yottahashes to dig up, one block still only costs you 200 yottahashes / 60 * 10, ie 0.15%
asciilifeform: from thread 2 yrs ago.
asciilifeform: this is one of those 'dead middle' items.
asciilifeform: 500 is closer to the ten cent.
mircea_popescu: so all the grannies will buy the shitstation. all the better.
mircea_popescu: da fuck i care that the mpstation is 500 and the just-as-good shitstation is 19.95
asciilifeform: but the $10k cpu has not yet been invented.
asciilifeform: i get this.
mircea_popescu: we specifically do not care of this nonsense, we are not feeding the consumers.
mircea_popescu: in the sense that if it's for > 9.95 it might as well not exist
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> this is why the existence of nintendos was not an evil until they approached becoming the ~only available~ machine. <<< "only available machine" here means something very marketing-driven
mircea_popescu: get the whole run, obviously.
asciilifeform: bring me one with mircea_popescu's key in mask rom then
mircea_popescu: "put this one in".
asciilifeform: chinese plants, american toolchain.
mircea_popescu: as it is today, chinese plants run two shifts a day to make iphones for apple and one shift to make bootlegs for themselves.
mircea_popescu: 100% of my left testicle.
asciilifeform: this is why the existence of nintendos was not an evil until they approached becoming the ~only available~ machine.
asciilifeform: the only problem is that he has 100% of the fab capacity
asciilifeform: i don't care what the enemy bakes for own use
mircea_popescu: we've already agreed this "general computer" is idiocy, what's all the agitation about. it still is.
mircea_popescu: in short, we're ideologically in this funny position where on one hand we want to bake bitcoin miners straight into silicone, and this is fine and good ; then enemy wants to make signable hardware and THIS IS EVIL. but it is on one hand what we do, on the other hand unavoidable due to the idiots and on the third hand perfectly ignorable. so they make theirs and we make ours and whoopdedoo.
trinque: would his experience of the thing be general purpose, or would it be constrained by me
trinque: so then, perhaps *I* own a computer and he may use it via gossipd if he doesn't piss me off
trinque: and if nobody's around to love you enough to kick your ass, you suck
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for the same reason roman youth was retarded. because people are born retarded and it washes off slowly.
asciilifeform: but ~why~ are they retarded ?
asciilifeform: all of us grew outside of the jails.
mircea_popescu: no, the reason there's no folks younger than 20 here is because folks younger than 20 are retarded.
asciilifeform: which is why there are no folks younger than, what, 20, here. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it'd just be tmsr-jailed
mircea_popescu: what's the problem.
mircea_popescu: so you find a discarded mp-signed bios and turn it on and it prompts you to make a key and heck... wtf is this.
asciilifeform: because 'to computer' in this sense ~means~ to pluck machine from junkyard etc.
mircea_popescu: maybe she meets phf at the weekly chaikowski teas or whatever they do.
asciilifeform: not even then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because on that planet i would not have learned to computer and would not be speaking.