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mod6: yeah, it could be for sure. its early in its life for sure. try this one on for size: http://dpaste.com/2XNKFW4.txt
shinohai: it is easily married to an irc bot, i like it
mod6: yw, thanks for testing :]
shinohai: mkay thanx :D
mod6: just hang tight, will have something for you to test here shrtly.
mod6: seems to be fixed on my side.
shinohai: nah still shows them all even if i add `pid`
mod6: something might be broken in there though, im currently trying to wrap up some clean up stuff right now.
mod6: hey shinohai: should be something like this `./t.pl ticket.txt pid 18`
asciilifeform: ;;later tell trinque can haz phuctor rss hookup in deedbot plox ?
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 i cannot make t display a single ticket, only the whole lot. Plz advise.
asciilifeform: prolly the most recent leader to boil derps
mircea_popescu: i always kinda liked that guy.
mircea_popescu: for my own curiosity, does c. yarvin figure on the list of good citizens & old bolsheviks that were yehzov'd by stalinmp or notrly ?
asciilifeform: it was fundamentally the right idea but implemented with inconceivable degree of braindamage - and - at least in the last few yrs - by the Professionally Sad
asciilifeform: sorta why i followed the project for as long as i did
mircea_popescu: aha. tmsr might give the clown a 2nd lease on lyf.
asciilifeform: the funny part is that there is already a comical nazi version of this
asciilifeform: but the other is the 'obfuscated' thing
asciilifeform: in fact, same one i originally tried for, and was quite disappointed in bitcoin not being
mircea_popescu: maybe. does it have to ?
asciilifeform: one is that it is a generalization of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: not so good tho - it's a tree.
asciilifeform: and this is sorta what happens in a bitcoinatron
mircea_popescu: we're under no obligation to tell the truth ; merely to keep impervious track of all the lies.
mircea_popescu: (the simple scheme above lulzily reduces to... mining!)
mircea_popescu: now enemy must gather more than k per $timeinterval units to eventually reach n.
asciilifeform: other observation is that extant hardware is very poorly suited to self-destruct (as in permanently losing bits on demand)
adlai: the human taboo against theft does bitcoin a poor canary make.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this then reduces to 'tamper-proof box'
asciilifeform: and if he does this for n of m, whatever the magic n, you've been undetectably owned
asciilifeform: enemy can simply record the bits passively from a captured node, unless the thing is a ~physical~ fort
mircea_popescu: (this is currently the situation, ftr. all the Ps are dead)
mircea_popescu: the only, or at least the first guarantee P must make is that it will destroy itself before being subverted.
mircea_popescu: the tru braindamaged assumption is to assume everlasting life, like we're in heaven or some bs
mircea_popescu: defined like that, the problem is (i think) significantly more tractable.
mircea_popescu: the only important thing there really, is to offer 100% guarantee that sepukku rather than dishonor.
asciilifeform: rather than n-of-m net.
asciilifeform: namely, that proggy runs on ~singular box~
asciilifeform: now, none of said schemes work, but they are all built with braindamaged assumption
mircea_popescu: for god teh lord doth not throw dice.
asciilifeform: the lulzy bit is that it is currently my day job, to test schemes for this.
adlai: interesting, extending the homomorphism to the operations themselves
asciilifeform: this is trivial until you also want the enemy to not be able to infer which token means, e.g., '+' in reasonable effort
mircea_popescu: the thing needed here is, "here's meaningless token X which really means 2 ; and here's meaningless token Y, which really means +, and here's meaningless token Z, which really means 2." and you respond with meaningless token K, which really is 4, and never know 2 or + or 4.
deedbot: shinohai rated trinque 1 at 3650630430 << Thanks for the help w/ Gentoo
shinohai: $rated trinque
mircea_popescu: adlai the thing needed here does not exist.
asciilifeform: as i understand, this is the ancient dream of 'run program nowhere at all but everywhere'
adlai: mircea_popescu: a comment - you mention homomorphic encryption with out qualifying part- or fully. the former exists! the latter...
mircea_popescu: no further governments, elections, civil or human rights or any of the jazz. got P ? shall be the whole of the law.
diana_coman: ah, that sounds better
asciilifeform: we sorta have this re bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: rubber bads on the clippers and all.
mircea_popescu: the whole point however is for any non-lord to be as incapable of action as lobsters at the market.
mircea_popescu: but in principle there's no reason each lord can't run his onw P, and even war with another's.
mircea_popescu: i am actually proposing to remove ability of action from people incapable of controlling such a machine.
diana_coman: hm, I'm not sure I fully get it, gotta read it again with a clearer head, but so far: do I read that right that you are proposing in the end to trust the machine ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://offsystem.sourceforge.net << their ancient www
adlai: it's another blog post from the future, i'll shut up now. let trinqui take over.
trinque: ok Apocalyptic, try again. I missed a case sensitive -> insensitive.
adlai: but mining is the solution to the whence-of-trust bug
adlai: wot doesn't need mining, wot is the solution to the mining bug
mircea_popescu: wotgoo is the point.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha this "did go somewhere a bit" thing :D sweet.
adlai: in my utopifanfic, the first commandment is Thou Shalt Not Mine
mircea_popescu: the rest is just fluff leading up to it.
asciilifeform: but that was precisely what i wanted, yes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally i will confess that your proposal, at least in so far as para#1, was actually the original point of my 'bitcoin in '06' thing
adlai: Unfortunately, there is, in our time of confusion and obscurity, another kind of a Jewish child: the child who is conspicuous by his absence from the Seder Service; the one who has no interest whatsoever in Torah and G???d's commandments... who is not even aware of the Seder, of the Exodus from Egypt and the subsequent revelation at Sinai. ... sounds like ferrante!
mircea_popescu: im bailing halfway through section 1.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sounds rather indistinguishable from 9999 other general similar derpage from the pre-dot-com boom era. could just as well be the early scribblings of jimbo "i do children" wales.
adlai: (for the judaically challenged - http://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/1486118/jewish/The-Four-Children-Explained.htm )
adlai: mircea_popescu: i thought this was the one that didn't know how to shut up?
mircea_popescu: adlai the only odd thing here is why do you ask me "what happened to x" ? this isn't what #trilema is for. #trilema is for you telling me "here's what i did with X".
adlai: meshnets, because ip versions can also go to eleven
asciilifeform: adlai: i still have the bag full of esp8266
adlai got the ol' meshnet boner from that one
adlai: mircea_popescu: whatever happened to the gsm modems sucking power off dushenski-reject autos?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what thing
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: but in our context the primorial has to take the shape of rsa key so the proggy can display it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform link for that thing ?
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: the modulus of what you're referring to as 'eightball' is actually called a primorial in math literature
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/introducing-permanence/ << rfc diana_coman hanbot trinque BingoBoingo mod6 danielpbarron mike_c asciilifeform davout ben_vulpes phf
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic ought to be able to up
Apocalyptic: thank you, apparently deedbot wasn't correctly fixed as i'm still unable to up myself
trinque: Apocalyptic: tried $up lately?
adlai: it's always just at the edge of my social circle, and frankly i should probably leave it there
adlai still awaits the fabled 8ball that'll keep him up all night doing euclid's algo by longhand
asciilifeform: gotta make the 'eightball'
asciilifeform: (this, realize, is a total pairwise gcd, every-at-every)
asciilifeform: i was expecting to find moar.
asciilifeform: eh, bit of a downer to me ☟︎
mircea_popescu: epic shit, this.
mircea_popescu: hourly seems fine if it's 15mn sorta thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we can blast the thing nightly (or, perhaps even hourly..)
mircea_popescu: cool. i'm working on a little horror of my own, will rfc teh esteemed lordship later on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: factors appear to be correct superset of old. i'ma hook the thing up to live db tonight.
mircea_popescu: "here's a random publicity of the photo showing obama being fucked in the ass by donald trump (not pictured)"
mircea_popescu: such lulzy derpage. "Kim Jong Un is surrounded by weeping members of the Korean Children's Union. Some schoolgirls (not pictured) are picked from classrooms to join the so-called 'Pleasure Squad' that serves the country's elite"